The Cabin In The Woods (2012)

Matt (00:00:00):

Oh yes. This is Load Bearing Screams! We’re talking about Cabin in the Woods, the delightful horror comedy from 2012, directed by Drew Goddard, written by Drew Goddard and Joss Whedon history segment covering the careers of both of those men and the fact that in 2009 when they produced the movie, they were not happy with the state of horror movies in America. Saw and Hostel, these were the big horror movies at the time, but by the time that Cabin in the Woods came out three years later, because this movie sat on the shelf for a very long time, a story we will tell in he history segment that era of horror movies was over. However, cabin in the Woods was so good on its own that it became a hit and a classic, a modern horror classic, and we have a great time talking about it, a movie that works beautifully as a comedy and beautifully as a horror movie. Also talk about the careers of Joss Whedon and Drew Goddard. Talk about the many influences they had that went into this movie, the influences of American Horror going all the way back to HP Lovecraft, if none of the history stuff interests you. Look in the episode description, look for movie discussion, and just skip to that part of the episode where you can hear Laci and I and our guest cinematic Joshua, talking about Cabin in the Woods.

Matt (00:01:34):

Welcome to Load Bearing Screams. I’m Matt Chokes.

Laci (00:01:37):

And I’m Laci Goth. 

Cinematic Joshua (00:01:40):

And I am Cemetery Joshua.

Laci (00:01:42):

Hey, Cemetery Joshua. Reluctant Joshua.

Cinematic Joshua (00:01:46):

Actually, I’m really Cinematic Joshua, but for Halloween time…

Matt (00:01:48):

You’re Cemetery Joshua, shut up! You’re Cemetery… You’re very scary. It’s a very scary time. We got to be serious. We got to respect the Ancient Ones and please them. The Ancient Ones, in this case, being our many listeners and viewers who demand sacrifice, who demand blood. But we’ll get into all of that.

Laci (00:02:05):

Joshua was the sacrifice.

Matt (00:02:07):

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Cinematic Joshua (00:02:32):

Confused. Yeah, cinematic Joshua on TikTok, please. I’m also rated awesome show on YouTube and rated Awesome on letterbox. Those are my main ones,

Matt (00:02:41):

And the links are all in the description, so click on those links, give him a follow. Welcome back to the show, Joshua.

Cinematic Joshua (00:02:48):

Thank you.

Matt (00:02:49):

Cabin in the Woods. Joshua’s request. What do you think about this movie? Why did you want to talk about it?

Cinematic Joshua (00:02:55):

I love it so much. I remember when I first out, I was the trailer. This is a great example of a trailer that doesn’t give away too much. It gives you just a hint of it. You don’t get into really the control room stuff. That whole angle, which is one of the very first scene that opens the movie, so you don’t get that part of it. You think it’s kind just a horror movie with something a little bit aloof and they’re getting spied on. Okay. But then I remember seeing that I was intrigued, but I wasn’t hyped for it. There’s not huge names in this movie, but I remember seeing it in theaters. I was just blown away. It’s just Reveal after Reveal after Reveal. The structure is amazing, and I love this story. I love this movie so much, and I’ve watched it a few times since then. I’ve watched all the commentaries and the behind the scenes stuff. I watched again that last night, all the Making Up Featurettes, and it’s just a perfect movie, and I don’t say that often at all. I keep that very high tier for a perfect movie, but there’s really not much I would change of this at all.

Matt (00:03:57):

Laci and I saw this movie on a trip together, our very first trip together. We were in Seattle,

Laci (00:04:03):

A lot of walking uphill there, so when you suggested a movie, I’m probably like, yeah, yeah, let’s sit down.

Matt (00:04:10):

And I remember liking it and I don’t know, we went a long time without seeing it again, but I think a few years ago you suggested we watch it, liked it again, watched it this week, liked it again.

Laci (00:04:20):

I mean, I think I loved it right away, and for me, it kind of ruined me because it sort of set the template for my exact temperature of horror that it was scary enough, but light enough and just, I don’t know that I’d ever seen comedy and horror mixed so perfectly together. So it was so palatable and it kept surprising me. I kept thinking I understood, and then I didn’t. Who can ask for more?

Matt (00:04:44):

What do we think this go around? Any evolving thoughts? Any

Laci (00:04:48):

No notes? No. Well, I mean commentary on tropes and people and roles, that’s been a topic that’s been built upon a lot since 2011. You can’t help that. But for its time, it was making some pretty interesting, am I trying to say observations? I mean, they’re all obvious. I know that there’s these tropes in horror movies, but I feel like it felt really fresh at the time to talk about it this way.

Matt (00:05:19):

Yeah, we’ll get into it In the history section, they were definitely responding to the movement of horror movies in the mid two thousands. And because this movie was delayed for so long, by the time it came out, I think horror was in a better place. And so torture porn was long in the past,

(00:05:35):

And I think that their grievances against horror were kind of, I think that that’s the part of the movie that doesn’t work so well for me because they’re trying to make all these, they’re make it, it’s not so obvious to me watching the movie twice in a week that these characters are behaving out of character and the movie has very little time to establish all of that. They’re trying to do it by, she’s dyed her hair blonde. She didn’t use to be that way. He’s an academic scholar. Why is he acting like a football player? And they’re saying all of this, but I don’t think they do a good enough job of making it sink in that these are basically actors who have been cast in a role against their will and are acting against their will,

Laci (00:06:16):

I guess. And you didn’t research and I didn’t, but I felt like it made sense that it, well, I guess I did feel that way. Chris Howorth makes that comment about don’t read this book, read this other one. I mean right away who he is. He’s funny, his girlfriend’s funny. That means they’re smart. And I don’t know, I just feel like, I like the fact that there aren’t saying that these archetypes don’t really exist. There are layers and there’s no perfect, she’s not a virgin, but you’re the virgin for some reason. And it’s like we do. We work with what we got. Why did you get this group? Why were they selected?

Matt (00:06:58):

Yeah, I’m not asking the movie to be longer. I love that it’s only 95 minutes, but it’s like this is the kind of case where maybe you’d like five additional minutes with them in their before lives.

Cinematic Joshua (00:07:09):

You don’t get a big differentiation really. When they start getting near the cabin or all the manipulation comes into the forefront, you don’t really get the idea that they’re so different until they’re really saying that. So I agree with

Laci (00:07:21):

That. They do kind of have to say it

Cinematic Joshua (00:07:23):

Right.

Laci (00:07:23):

It is interesting though that the opening thing you find out about our final girl is that she was in a romantic relationship that didn’t work out well with a professor. So I mean, there’s no flirting relationships with a professor. No, I just give you blow jobs relationship. You just assume, okay, they were fucking, so when

Matt (00:07:42):

Later they say as much, they say she had sex with him.

Laci (00:07:45):

Okay, so that is confusing when later on she is acting like, oh, I don’t want to, I mean, I’ve never, and it’s like, you’ve never what?

Matt (00:07:53):

Yeah, and then she

Laci (00:07:54):

Gone on the way on the first date or

Matt (00:07:56):

Because then she does pause and go, no, I’m not saying I’ve never, so it is like she finds herself saying these things and doesn’t know why she’s saying she’s

Laci (00:08:04):

Falling into this role and doesn’t mean to be doing it. And he whips out this very hot jock guy who catches a football the first time you meet him, and then all of a sudden Latin comes out and he whips out his glasses and he never takes his glasses off. It’s like, what an egghead. I think if they’re trying to keep the movie moving, I think they do enough to set it up that these things are getting all mushed together and not really making sense.

Matt (00:08:30):

And I do love the comedy and I love Bradley Whitford so much. He’s my favorite part of

Laci (00:08:34):

The movie. Oh my God.

Matt (00:08:35):

And Richard Jenkins too.

Laci (00:08:37):

Yes.

Matt (00:08:37):

But I think that the horror is really effective, and I kind of wish I could have seen, I mean, drew Goddard is only directed two movies. It would maybe be fun to see him just make a 90 minute straightforward horror movie. That’d be fun. What if we got to see the straightforward version of Cabin in the Woods of just zombie’s attack a cabin? That’d be fun, I

Laci (00:08:55):

Guess. I don’t know. Guess

Matt (00:08:57):

Not. Dunno how much

Cinematic Joshua (00:08:58):

Film

Laci (00:08:58):

I’d have. I don’t know

Cinematic Joshua (00:08:59):

Too many of their horror movies. Really? But they’re still working. They’re still thinking about their stuff, but yeah, I’m surprised he hasn’t made more movies. It’s a shame.

Matt (00:09:08):

He is a guy. So

Laci (00:09:09):

That’s the director you’re speaking of? I’m sorry.

Matt (00:09:10):

Yeah, and he’s like, he

Cinematic Joshua (00:09:12):

Writes more than direct.

Matt (00:09:13):

He’s constantly attached. He’s one of those names who’s like, what Drew Goddard is attached. He’s going to helm Sony’s Spider-Man universe, and then that gets canceled. Right now he is supposedly going to be directing a matrix reboot, no word on that, in years. So he seems like he’s had a run of bad luck, but he’s probably doing uncredited rewrites on every single movie that comes out just as his buddy Joss Whedon used to be before the fall, which we will get into, which we will get into now in our history segment, guys, where do you imagine this story begins? Is it Hollywood, California in the nineties? No, we’re going to start in Rhode Island, in Providence, Rhode Island with a very sickly and frail weirdo named Howard Phillips Lovecraft

Laci (00:10:27):

Craft fun name though

Matt (00:10:29):

In 1926 wrote the call of Kalu, introducing the world to his most famous character, Kalu, the cosmic entity, the great old one, worshiped by evil cultist whose physical reform resembles an octopus in a dragon, Kalu, the Mons, the mountainous monstrosity who has lived for ions of years. The rest of us live in a membrane, a thin membrane of pond scum and the great old ones, they exist outside of normal space and time. Yeah, Lovecraft invented this whole genre of cosmic horror that this movie, that Cabin in the woods is playing so much in of, yeah, we are bugs in the universe compared to these giant beings who are basically indifferent to us and we must appease them by making blood sacrifices to them. So I think that that is the starting point for Cabin In the Woods is first let’s go back to Lovecraft, who’s the most influential horror writer of the 20th century, and then we’ll build from there. We’ll use that as our foundation and then kind of put sort of modern horror movies on top of it.

Laci (00:11:34):

It’s like baked potatoes. You start with baked potato, you’re not going to go wrong. You start just adding whatever you want on top. You got yourself a good baked potato

Matt (00:11:41):

Bake. Exactly. I love

Laci (00:11:43):

It. I think I’ve made my point.

Matt (00:11:44):

Alright, so Drew Goddard and Joss Whedon decide. Yeah, let’s do that. Let’s make a movie. I know. Just the studio to do it. MGM. So once a time, the sentence you’re making a movie for MGM that meant you would reach the height of Hollywood. The biggest I grandest most successful of the movie studio is Metro Goldwin Meyer. The name itself connotes the magic of the movies,

Laci (00:12:04):

The Golden screen.

Matt (00:12:05):

But if you’re making a movie for MGM in 2009, the sentence you’re making a movie for MGM should make your heart shutter

Laci (00:12:11):

The tiny little line all emaciated.

Matt (00:12:16):

They filmed this movie in early 2009, the very next year, M GM’s like we don’t have any money to put it out. Sorry.

Laci (00:12:21):

Oh, sorry guys.

Matt (00:12:22):

We don’t have the money to literally send the Dropbox link to the movie theater. Would

Laci (00:12:26):

You like front us some money and maybe Venmo and then we’ll put your movie out?

Cinematic Joshua (00:12:31):

It must be so crushing trying to get the movie out. It’s like you’re done with it, you’re so excited for it, and you have these could wait for it and it’s not like you could do anything about it. They were saying how James Bond movies and other things like that, big franchisees were also on hold because of they went bankrupt or they had issues or something. So

Matt (00:12:48):

Yeah, that’s got to be

Cinematic Joshua (00:12:49):

Frustrating. As a filmmaker,

Matt (00:12:50):

They declared bankruptcy in 2010. There were four years between James Bond movies, they had to sell a lot of their movies, but that’s why this movie shoots in 2009 and then it comes out in 2012, a few weeks before the Avengers comes out that is directed by Joss Whedon and Stars, Chris Hemsworth. And then this movie comes out and you’re like, why is Chris Hemsworth like the fifth guy in this movie?

Laci (00:13:12):

Yeah, it sucks too because fashion changes so fast and these are supposed to be very cool teens, and so their clothes look dated already. The ideas are really fresh. It’s kind of like who’s going to get to the press first when you’ve got a hot story, when you’re doing something new and different, just sitting on it and hoping nobody talks about the themes and ideas and that spreading to some other new project that can get out first. Fuck that. What a horrible anxious two years,

Matt (00:13:38):

Right? If Scary movie had come out seven years after Scream

Laci (00:13:44):

Scary movie.

Matt (00:13:46):

The movie Scary Movie,

Laci (00:13:48):

Right? About Scream.

Matt (00:13:49):

Yeah. So if they’d shot it right after Scream, but then it comes out seven years later and people are like, well, you’re making jokes about Scream, what are you doing?

Laci (00:13:57):

The og? What are you talking? Right, right. Got you. Okay. And oh, you know what? I dyed my hair blonde and then black again, and I think I’m getting kind of dumb. So

Matt (00:14:07):

Drew Goddard, his career was nursed in the bosom of two men who I call the twin Satans of Hollywood Jo wheen and jj a

Laci (00:14:16):

Jos wheen

Matt (00:14:18):

JJ too. Oh don’t. JJ too come the two men who have ruined my life.

Laci (00:14:23):

Matt does not like quips and quirky repart. He wants everyone to be real awkward, normal, normal style.

Matt (00:14:31):

He goes, so let’s get to Joss Whedon first.

Laci (00:14:33):

Oh, Joss, not what I expected.

Matt (00:14:35):

Writes screenplay for the movie Buffy the Vampire Slayer, which comes out in 1992. The movie, not happy with it. We did an episode about this movie a billion years ago. I love

Cinematic Joshua (00:14:43):

That movie.

Matt (00:14:44):

I was thinking it’d be fun to revisit that. I will always, maybe we do that for another episode.

Cinematic Joshua (00:14:49):

I’m going to rewatch that. I just found out with the research that he wrote, the original movie. I didn’t know that. I thought he just did the TV show.

Matt (00:14:54):

Yeah, he was very unhappy with the movie.

Laci (00:14:57):

See, and I love the fricking movie so much.

Matt (00:15:00):

Yeah. That was always the thing with Laci. It’s like, oh no, I hate the TV show. I resent the TV show for

Laci (00:15:05):

It. Just like cheese nips and cheese it. You cannot be a both. You must pick one. And it is Buffy the Vampire Slayer, the movie and Cheese Nips, which I know are no longer made, and that makes me on the wrong side

Matt (00:15:16):

Of Pitch Cheese. Nips are no longer made.

Laci (00:15:17):

They don’t make them. They haven’t made ’em for years. Oh

Matt (00:15:19):

My God.

Laci (00:15:20):

We’re on the wrong side of history. Matt, Jesus.

Cinematic Joshua (00:15:22):

Are they also square? I don’t even know what that is.

Laci (00:15:25):

They’re identical. Only one actually tasted good and then the other one was a Cheez-It.

Matt (00:15:29):

No, no, that’s insane.

Laci (00:15:30):

Cheese

Matt (00:15:31):

Nips are

Laci (00:15:31):

Gross. They taste like actual cheese. They were amazing and delectable and left a little film on your hands because there was substance there. Cheese nips are glossy plastic. 3D printed pieces of shit.

Matt (00:15:46):

Joss Whedon Vin was able to adapt Buffy into a TV show that he had full creative control of. And then the Joss Whedon Empire begins. He does the spinoff TV show. Angel and a young Drew Goddard joined the writing staff of both of these guys began his long collaboration. So Drew Goddard then joins the other great Satan. JJ Abrams enters the extended bad robot universe

Matt (00:16:08):

Writes for Alias and Lost. He writes the script for Cloverfield, which JJ Abrams produces, and then he rejoins with Josh, Josh Whedon to do cabin in the woods.

Laci (00:16:17):

We are lost lovers. I know that’s your favorite series ever, right,

Matt (00:16:22):

Josh?

Cinematic Joshua (00:16:23):

Yes, absolutely.

Laci (00:16:24):

So just so you know, we are lost lovers

Cinematic Joshua (00:16:26):

And he wrote several episodes. The first time I ever heard about him though was when he wrote Cloverfield, which I also love the original Cloverfield, but he’d done several lost episodes throughout several seasons.

Matt (00:16:36):

Goddard, not Abrams

Cinematic Joshua (00:16:37):

Goddard. Right.

Matt (00:16:38):

JJ Abrams involvement with Lost Ended after the first episode road.

Cinematic Joshua (00:16:42):

He developed it and co-created the show

Matt (00:16:45):

And directed the pilot and then he left. Is

Laci (00:16:47):

Cloverfield a found footage movie?

Matt (00:16:49):

Yeah, it is

Laci (00:16:50):

With John Goodman.

Matt (00:16:51):

No, it’s the best one. No, John think

Laci (00:16:53):

It is.

Matt (00:16:53):

John Goodman is in the sequel, the Cloverfield 10 Cloverfield Lane.

Laci (00:16:56):

Okay,

Matt (00:16:56):

So I’m not crazy’s a good movie.

Laci (00:16:58):

Okay.

Matt (00:16:59):

You’re not crazy. I’m not crazy. At least not for that

Laci (00:17:01):

Reason. Oh, you got to be to work here. It helps or whatever.

Matt (00:17:06):

Here’s what Joss Whedon said as Captain the Woods was coming out, he told us the total film in 2012. It’s basically a very loving hate letter. It’s a serious critique of what we love and what we don’t about horror movies. The things that I don’t like are kids acting like idiots, the devolution of the horror movie into torture porn and into a long series of sadistic comeuppance. Drew and I both felt that the pendulum had swung a little too far in that direction end.

Laci (00:17:35):

I’m with him. I mean with the torture porn aspect, it started to become this thing of how can I one up the last most grotesque violent thing and how much can you take? How many people can I get to leave the theater? And it’s like, let us stay in the theater, let us get our money’s worth and not have fucking nightmares. A nightmare for something that fucks with me psychically. Like heredity. I’ll allow it, but something that just is a visual I can’t get out of my head. That’s mean.

Matt (00:18:11):

We did saw last week, which is nice timing. I didn’t realize that Cabin the Woods is responding to the movement that SA started.

Laci (00:18:20):

It started, but it saw the og. It’s actually pretty light handed in my memory. It is why hostel exists. It’s why all the things where I’m like, should I try to fucking see this? Or maybe do I want to have a life afterward? It’s

Matt (00:18:35):

Always the case. It’s like the first movie that starts it. You realize like, oh, there’s not that much gore in it. Saw one is very disgusting, but there’s very little,

Laci (00:18:44):

And it’s filmed grotesquely. It’s like if a re and Stimpy were a movie,

Matt (00:18:48):

It is like a red and Stimpy movie

Laci (00:18:50):

Because it zooms in and it’s sweaty and it’s like the bumps on skin. It’s so graphic and in a human way, not in a, let’s see what your insides look like and then let’s chomp realistic. Let’s jump on ’em.

Matt (00:19:04):

But I even watched hostel for the first time this week.

Laci (00:19:07):

I wanted to revisit that in my head. It was fucking crazy. Same thing.

Matt (00:19:11):

There’s not that It is all in suggestion. I had seen hostel too. I saw hostel two in theaters. I remember actually having a good time. It is just like, I mean, I think that one probably, but hey, maybe I’ll revisit it and be like, there’s way less gruesome shit in it than I remembered. Maybe

Laci (00:19:26):

Because the templates, the templates are what sticks with you. And then any people who don’t want to get pigeon towed, pigeonholed, pigeonholed, they smartly decide not to do the second one. But the first one’s good because it had all of the idea and concept and then the horror were these cherries on top. They weren’t the point. It’s like just this. When you just got this nugget of an idea and the person ends up liking cherries and that’s remembered for the next time, you just get a cup of fucking cherries and that’s disgusting.

Matt (00:20:03):

What do you think about this era of horror movies, Joshua? Like the Saw movies? The hostile movies?

Cinematic Joshua (00:20:07):

Yeah. I like some of ’em. I love the Soft Franchise. One of my favorite franchises actually. And the original saw is one of the best ones for sure. But what I love about that series, it’s not just the Terrifi series, which I think is just for Gore. That’s the point of it. The shocking, disturbing part of it. I don’t like disturbing horror. So even though Saw has some of that torture point in there, the story and the editing and the characters and the twists are so much more a point of the movie for me and the whole franchise. So I like some of that stuff. I haven’t watched much of the hostile ones. Again, I don’t like Torture for the sake of it.

Matt (00:20:39):

I was looking at just looking at the top grossing horror movies for every year leading up to producing Cab in the woods. And yeah, it was saw two, saw three, saw four, saw five, I guess. Yeah. This is not a great era of horror in general.

Cinematic Joshua (00:20:55):

A lot of sequels and reboots and stuff. Some of these I haven’t seen. Some I have.

Matt (00:20:59):

Yeah, I didn’t even know there was a remake of Prom Night.

Laci (00:21:02):

Prom Night even. Sounds like the one that was probably Gap we’re making a movie. The eye mirrors. So many of these did not withstand the test of time.

Matt (00:21:10):

And I think things improved in the 2010s. What was it though? I mean Insidious in the Conjuring and I guess the Rise of Blumhouse True

Laci (00:21:18):

Story. They started to base it on people. The real horror of the two people who the Insidious movies are about. Do I mean Insidious the Conjure? I mean the Conjure

Matt (00:21:27):

Movies about, oh, those two frauds who made up everything?

Laci (00:21:30):

Yes. So realistic, those two people and the fact that he was actually an insanely abusive husband that forced the wife into these cons. And actually he was the horror. He was the person that was actually torturing her behind the scenes and they led this crazy life together where she was never actually able to act like herself or do what she wanted to do. And that is so interesting and that is where good horror comes from, is the kind of abuses we all suffer and that aren’t that because big feelings are so hard to express that you need to make them so much bigger to explain why you feel like you do. I feel haunted. My dad abuses me. I feel like a ghost is beating me up in my sleep. And that’s why those movies just like there was a lot of there there because that couple did go on a lot of fake adventures. But with each adventure there was a traumatized family to exploit, to take what they already are experiencing and turn it into something supernatural because that’s what they want to believe. Not that they want to believe that I married a man who doesn’t actually love my children. He’s an alcoholic and he’s being mean to my

Matt (00:22:38):

Children. Why do you think torture was so popular though for that few years that it was because

Laci (00:22:45):

It was new, right?

Cinematic Joshua (00:22:48):

It was low budget, it was shocking. It was enticing. So with Saw being the first big, one of the bigger hits of that genre kicked off some other ones to imitate and copy and to try their own mark about how to make it disturbing and creepy. I mean, horror is always trying to do that. So this is a way to do it that gets under people, a lot of people’s skin being tortured, getting mangled or dismembered or disfigured is, I don’t like seeing that on screen. So some people do, and it’s definitely something that you remember.

Laci (00:23:19):

It’s

Cinematic Joshua (00:23:19):

Memorable.

Laci (00:23:19):

It became a sort of strength test. It’s something that every teenage boy is going to go to see more than once and try to bring a girl and show how much they can take it and the girl can. And the girl’s like, ah. And it just became this because Faces of Death was also popular during this time and having this thing on the internet that you want to see if someone can freak out to or just access to these insane kinks in violence that is captured on film. It just was. It was new even though it had been happening behind closed doors forever. But this access to it was new. And so to start making movies about it where you control it and it’s fake, it’s kind of nice to know it’s fake.

Matt (00:24:02):

I remember you got to watch you go to e balms world.com and watch the video of the fucking Rabbit getting run over by a race car. Man. I think nine 11 had happened. We had blood lust. We wanted to see punishment. We were starting wars all over the world. It’s a time to be really embrace our reptilian. That could be part

Laci (00:24:23):

Of it. You can look at it like that. But I think that blood lust was forced upon us. War came to our fucking earth, our part of the earth where we actually notice when things are happening. And so to choose to see it, to seek it, and to know it’s fake or to go, I’m going to go on this website and see two girls with one cup. I want to see poop. It’s like a way of controlling it.

Matt (00:24:47):

Yeah, no, a response to,

Laci (00:24:49):

But not because we need it, but because we want to think we have some kind of power over it to desensitize ourselves in case it happens again in case poop goes into our mouths. Matt, we want to know we were prepared. I agree. Good.

Matt (00:25:03):

So the movie gets shot in 2009, keeps getting delayed, and then MGM declares bankruptcy in the middle of it. The movie is delayed indefinitely and then eventually gets sold to Lionsgate. They both Godard and we didn’t both talk about it was actually very good. I think that because they were both very comfortable in their careers, they were in a place where it’s like, we can just wait. We can wait the movie now. It would just get dumped onto a streamer. But back then that wasn’t an option. And so it’s like, let’s wait until we find somebody who really believes in this isn’t going to get behind it and give it the marketing push that it needs. So it finally comes out in 2012, just a few weeks before The Avengers comes out, which is literally written and directed by Joss Whedon

Laci (00:25:46):

Before we were sick of it

Matt (00:25:48):

And co-stars Chris Hemsworth. It sounds like Goddard was involved in some sort of uncredited capacity. Joss wheen goes on to direct age of Ultron in 2015, directs much of Justice League, even though he’s not credited in 2017, creates the nevers for HBO and has an overall deal with Warner Brothers. That then gets put on hold when allegations against Joss Whedon come out as this always like the feminist champion of strong women turns out very sexually abusive or sexual harasser as a boss to the women who work for him. Cruel romantic partner, cruel to all the people who work with him. Even on the commentary, I feel like he’s bullying Goddard a little bit.

Laci (00:26:39):

I find that so interesting that there’s a commentary with him speaking after you find out he’s an abuser, then you could just kind of go and mine it.

Matt (00:26:46):

Oh, absolutely.

Laci (00:26:47):

To find out a Simpsons person that’s on all the commentary was actually really into balloon play. And then you can just go

Matt (00:26:55):

Exactly.

Laci (00:26:55):

It’s like that. Look for the

Matt (00:26:57):

Balloon talk or go read. Go reread the Harry Potter books. You’ll see some hints of her transphobia in

Laci (00:27:04):

There. Well then overt racism and just how on the nose, all of her characters are depending on their race.

Matt (00:27:10):

They’re for children. Yeah. Oh, like Goblins or Jews

Laci (00:27:13):

That, and then how she names her Asian characters, how she names just different characters are all very tropey

Matt (00:27:21):

In that case. I mean, given character that is so that you can avoid saying Cho Chang, the Chinese student. You can just say her name and then the reader can take from that. I fucking, I absolved

Laci (00:27:36):

Rawling Defender.

Matt (00:27:37):

That’s true. I knew it. But what of Drew Goddard? Well, the movie Kevin the Woods gets released in April, 2012, gets lots of critical acclaim, makes some good money. Drew Goddard rewrites, world War Z. He wrote the screenplay for the Martian, got an Oscar nomination for it. It’s

Laci (00:27:57):

A solid little spray. He went on here.

Matt (00:28:00):

Yeah, he created the Netflix Daredevil show, but I think he left that before it was produced. He had no actual role with it after creating it.

Cinematic Joshua (00:28:08):

Oh really?

Matt (00:28:09):

Yeah, just like his guy JJ with Lost. But the next time he directed a movie was Bad Times at the El Royale.

Laci (00:28:16):

I have

Cinematic Joshua (00:28:16):

Not seen this one.

Matt (00:28:17):

I just watched

Cinematic Joshua (00:28:17):

It this week. It’s quite good also.

Matt (00:28:19):

It’s very good. What do you

Cinematic Joshua (00:28:20):

Think?

Matt (00:28:20):

Oh, it’s very good. I like it better than Cabin in the Woods. There’s tons of You can

Laci (00:28:25):

What John Hams in it. That’s all you had to say.

Matt (00:28:28):

Well, I mean there’s a lot of through lines between them for one This Bad Times at the El Royale. Is it

Laci (00:28:35):

Like a play on mob movies?

Matt (00:28:37):

Oh, a little bit. Or

Laci (00:28:38):

Noir.

Matt (00:28:39):

It’s a neo noir seven. It’s people at a motel, a very cool motel of the sixties.

Cinematic Joshua (00:28:45):

It’s a great thriller

Matt (00:28:45):

And it’s like one night. But there’s mirrors. I never remember. Is it one way mirror or two way? The Spying Mirror. This movie is S centered on spying mirrors. Okay. Mirror. Just like

Laci (00:28:57):

A one way mirror is just a mirror.

Matt (00:28:59):

Okay. Just like cabin in the woods is. But Joshua, I wanted to ask you this. When’s the last time you saw this movie?

Cinematic Joshua (00:29:07):

So I’ve only seen it once when it came out, and I remember loving it, one of my favorite movies of the year, but I haven’t rewatched it since I want to. It’s great. It’s a great ensemble thriller. I love Mysterious Reveals Good Twists. And the cast is year

Matt (00:29:19):

2018.

Laci (00:29:20):

So before John Ham got too haggard, I’m listening

Matt (00:29:25):

This cast. I mean, he has a couple people like Cynthia Arrivo, Louis Pullman, Kaylee Spany, all before they became big stars.

Cinematic Joshua (00:29:34):

Yeah.

Matt (00:29:34):

So I saw that is some excellent casting. I

Cinematic Joshua (00:29:37):

Remember Cynthia has a really great singing scene in this movie. I never heard her before and I was like, wow, she’s got a great voice. Of course now she’s wicked.

Matt (00:29:44):

Absolutely. Yeah. That’s her. That’s

Laci (00:29:46):

Her I Fat at name that. That’s

Matt (00:29:48):

Her. That’s

Cinematic Joshua (00:29:48):

Alphabet. Yeah.

Matt (00:29:49):

She has

Laci (00:29:49):

Tons of, if I’ve seen her nails, I would’ve known if her picture were like this.

Matt (00:29:53):

Yeah, you’d hold space for her.

Laci (00:29:55):

I would hold it.

Matt (00:29:58):

But okay. So I don’t know if you remember Chris Hemsworth who’s in that movie and is great. And I would say, is he a villain? Yeah, he is.

Cinematic Joshua (00:30:05):

He’s a villainous turn in this one. Yeah.

Matt (00:30:07):

When he was in Fiosa, I was like, I’ve never seen a performance like this from him. But yes, I would be wrong. This one too.

Cinematic Joshua (00:30:13):

Yeah.

Matt (00:30:13):

He’s great’s

Cinematic Joshua (00:30:15):

A great one. I got to rewatch it.

Matt (00:30:16):

I wonder.

Cinematic Joshua (00:30:17):

The cinematography is also awesome. In this one

Matt (00:30:19):

I wondered is Drew Goddard thinking of Joss Whedon with this C Kenworth character? He plays this Charles Manson hippie cult

Laci (00:30:26):

Leader. Yeah. He can turn those blue eyes into the kind that are creepy. There’s a whole meme or a whole trend on social media about how blue eyes are actually evil, the scariest fucking eyes. But it’s just the way he can bring them up and it instantly doesn’t look like a good American boy. It looks like someone that wants to suck my soul out of my fucking badge.

Matt (00:30:49):

And I think that’s what you see when you look into my eyes, right?

Laci (00:30:52):

Oh, well that’s why I put my badge right on your head. I want you to be able to suck it real easy

Matt (00:30:57):

La

Laci (00:30:58):

I’m so supportive. Wow. You

Matt (00:30:59):

Have a guest. We have a guest.

Laci (00:31:01):

You’re making blush. So when a man and a woman love each other, they sit on each other’s faces.

Cinematic Joshua (00:31:07):

That’s good. I’m glad you’re still doing that. Being married.

Laci (00:31:09):

Yeah. No,

Cinematic Joshua (00:31:10):

You got to keep things. Keep got to keep

Matt (00:31:12):

Fresh, fresh. Wait, listen,

Cinematic Joshua (00:31:13):

Listen. I keep my toes.

Matt (00:31:14):

So look in the movie, the plot revolves around them finding a film strip of an unnamed dead president. Clearly JFK. They don’t say JFK in a compromising position. And this cult leader played by Chris Hemsworth asks Cynthia like, who do you think is all in this film strip that I miss? And she’s like, she is very tired of dealing with his shit. And here’s what she says. She says, I think it’s a powerful man, a man who talks a lot, a man who talks so much that he thinks he believes in something and really just wants to fuck who he wants to fuck. I’ve seen it enough. I’m not even mad about it anymore. I’m just tired. So as I was watching this, I was like, is he literally writing about his mentor, Joss Whedon? Maybe I’m reading too much into this.

Laci (00:32:00):

She’s talking about an archetype.

Cinematic Joshua (00:32:02):

Are they not friends anymore? They had a falling out because of the whole,

Matt (00:32:05):

I couldn’t obligations. I couldn’t, don’t know.

Laci (00:32:09):

He should lose all of his friends.

Matt (00:32:11):

I mean, you always find out they’re always supporting. Everybody’s always still friends.

Laci (00:32:15):

I know people are onions two sides.

Matt (00:32:19):

But Joss Whedon hasn’t worked since he probably is doing uncredited rewrites Jo Whedon, which is what he’s done.

Cinematic Joshua (00:32:26):

He’s got a lot of stuff in development still, but probably still waiting to see if it blows over. If people will forgive him. I don’t know.

Laci (00:32:33):

He’s not allowed to use his hands. He just can use little grabber things.

Cinematic Joshua (00:32:35):

I think he’ll come back. I think talented people come back.

Laci (00:32:38):

I just don’t him around women. If he can do an all male staff, then yay.

Matt (00:32:44):

I don’t want him writing movies. I don’t like him as a writer.

Laci (00:32:47):

Right. And you have that on proof. You have that in a tablet somewhere etched. Because as soon as I met you, you made that fucking known

Matt (00:32:58):

Though. This movie, very quippy to its credit.

Laci (00:33:02):

Well, thank God.

Matt (00:33:04):

Yes. Thank God for that. Drew Goddard. Yeah, it’s supposedly working on a matrix reboot. We will see. But that’s the history of Cabin in the Woods.

Laci (00:33:12):

I would love to look at the Matrix a different way for the people who are just really into it, not

Matt (00:33:18):

You’d want him to do sort of a deconstructed matrix.

Laci (00:33:20):

Yeah. I don’t know. I don’t know what the fuck I want, and I haven’t seen all the sequels, so maybe I already got what I want.

Matt (00:33:25):

Yeah, I think you did get what you want. You just didn’t care to see it.

Laci (00:33:28):

That’s right. I didn’t even know what I was talking about.

Matt (00:34:06):

Ancient evil is where we start for 20 seconds and then boom, we’re looking at these two boring guys getting sad coffee from a coffee machine.

Laci (00:34:16):

I just immediately know I’m in good hands because Bradley Whitford from the days of Billy Madison, as soon as I see him, I’m like, you’re going to terrify me or delight me and you’re going to be a swarmy asshole either way and yay. And then I just realized we just saw Richard Jenkins in Nightmare Alley and he’s still fucking giving me the creeps. And he’s hilarious. I mean, not in that movie, but stepbrothers. God,

Matt (00:34:43):

He’s so scary in Nightmare Alley. Both these guys can be very scary. And Jenkins is great in this movie too, but I think Bradley Redford runs away with this movie’s

Cinematic Joshua (00:34:52):

Really charisma. I like Richard Jenkins more actually. I think he like

Laci (00:34:56):

The,

Cinematic Joshua (00:34:56):

As an actor, as the characters. I love him both. But Richard Jenkins to me, I gravitate to him more

Laci (00:35:02):

Actor. That makes sense because he’s kind of the straight man, even though they’re both very funny. The other one’s more flamboyant. And I get why you would be more drawn to the more subdued one. But I like ’em both.

Matt (00:35:12):

Whitford just has my favorite moment. It’s going to be in my top 30 moments in any movie ever. Do you know what I’m talking about? The Mordecai

Laci (00:35:19):

Phone call?

Matt (00:35:20):

No, no, no. The

Cinematic Joshua (00:35:21):

Merman.

Matt (00:35:22):

He’s like, oh, come on. It’s not the Memon. These are all great shit.

Laci (00:35:25):

The one where he is just saying, it takes me like 20 minutes to get a beer.

Matt (00:35:30):

No, I’m actually rooting for this girl. She’s just got so much heart and so much tequila is my, he plays it so perfect because he’s kind of dressed. He’s not even, he doesn’t believe what he’s saying. He looks over and he is like, she’s just got the tequila is my lady. Yeah,

Cinematic Joshua (00:35:46):

They have great tone shifts in this movie. I love that they’re doing so well.

Laci (00:35:51):

It’s just such a I, it’s such well observed thing about humans. This is the worst job in the world if this is really what you’re really, really good at is getting the sacrifices to be dead of their own fucking volition. To get people to choose to die is your fucking specialty. That is so depressing. So it’s just very human that they would take bets and immediately get drunk after. And

Matt (00:36:15):

Of course, yeah,

Laci (00:36:16):

Leave it on the TV as though it’s entertainment. Just convince yourself it’s not really happening.

Matt (00:36:21):

And I mean if you’re reading all of this as this is a movie production, they are the producers. They’re sick of producing shitty horror movies, but it’s what pays the bills. They’d like to be doing something a little better, but we

Laci (00:36:35):

Got babies coming. We’re trying to get pregnant. We’re trying to,

Matt (00:36:37):

So you got to keep it interesting somehow. And we just get these anonymous teen actors. They’re going to do degrading stuff. They’re going to get naked for no reason and make bad decisions. And we have a director and we have a tech department and all of that.

Laci (00:36:52):

I appreciate the level of titty in this movie though. It is tasteful titty. You can tell it is just enough to appease the gods, which are us. Because what I hate is when a woman gets killed while naked and it’s just her boobs flopping all over the place. And sometimes her badge, you see Jules’s boobs because they make a whole point of it, like it’s time for the reveal. And then when she gets killed, she’s covered like Aladdin. Aladdin never having nipples.

Matt (00:37:21):

So this woman runs up from the Kim department, Ms. Lynn, and she’s talking about how the rest of the world, the only everything’s going bad in the rest of the world now it’s just Japan and us. We’re the only ones left. And Bradley Whitford and Richard Jenkins, they’re like, we got this. No problem. We’re

Laci (00:37:38):

All goods. Them themselves being stereotypes, stereotypes of Demeaning Office know it all men.

Matt (00:37:46):

And what is their department called?

Cinematic Joshua (00:37:49):

They’re operations. Right? Operations. Okay. They seem

Matt (00:37:52):

To

Laci (00:37:52):

Be at the motherboard.

Cinematic Joshua (00:37:54):

Yeah, they’re the control centers. So operations I would say,

Matt (00:37:56):

Right?

Laci (00:37:56):

They call in demo, they call ’em Kim. They call ’em Zoology. They’re the ones who activate all the other departments.

Matt (00:38:01):

So they are the producers. They’re the ones who running the entire production of the movie.

Laci (00:38:05):

They are the Ed Harris in Truman’s head.

Matt (00:38:07):

There you go. Yes, there you go. But I love how much it’s not explaining to you at all and how

Laci (00:38:13):

It’s just a mean thing.

Matt (00:38:14):

How much the movie is rubbing in your face. You thought you were coming to see how our movie, you’re an idiot.

Laci (00:38:18):

Haha. This is just the office

Matt (00:38:21):

And I just really wish, I wish it had just opened with them in the office. Then when the title comes on the screen, it is glorious.

Cinematic Joshua (00:38:30):

Got some screen music too, like the insidious kind of score.

Laci (00:38:35):

I mean the credits are underwhelming. Sting there

Cinematic Joshua (00:38:37):

Sting.

Laci (00:38:38):

But they’re also kind of nice and confusing as well because they’re just like ancient blood sacrifice demon crap. It almost looks like a spoof on who credits.

Matt (00:38:51):

Right. But I love the onscreen title, the cabin in the Woods where you’re nowhere near any woods or anything. And on the commentary, they talk about

Laci (00:39:02):

How they’re underneath the mat. This is the under of Disney World. Remember the whole time when they’re talking about upstairs, they’re talking about the people who are getting killed.

Matt (00:39:12):

So you’re saying this is also Disney World?

Laci (00:39:14):

No, no. I’m saying they reference upstairs and downstairs constantly. And they’re jargon and they’re, oh, you know those upstairs and you don’t realize until later upstairs is just the teens running around getting killed. They’re

Matt (00:39:26):

On top. They’re not talking about a boss.

Laci (00:39:27):

No, that’s downstairs.

Matt (00:39:29):

Okay.

Laci (00:39:30):

Yeah.

Matt (00:39:31):

They talk on the commentary about wanting to not give the audience any information. And then the studio totally panicking and they’re like, but the focus group saved. Nobody’s confused. They’re afraid they walked into the wrong movie. They don’t understand what they’re talking about. What are they talking about? And that’s why, I mean, I kind of always associated this movie with, it’s a metaphor for making movies, but the way that they will talk about the way studio executives talk about the audience. They’re this unknowable, ancient entity.

Matt (00:40:03):

They’re too stupid. The audience will not understand. That’s why I think it tracks on really neatly onto the audience as the ancient ones.

Laci (00:40:12):

You must give them what they think they’ve come for and then surprise them. We Trojan Horse in the newness, you cannot be all new. They must welcome it in. They must choose.

Matt (00:40:24):

They lost choose. So we meet the mate, MEAT, we got Dana, Kristen Connolly, we got Marty, Fran Krons,

Laci (00:40:36):

Fran Krons.

Matt (00:40:38):

Chris Emsworth is Kurt Anna Hutchinson is Jules. Jesse Williams is Holden everybody. Be honest. Have you ever heard of any of these guys other than Chris Hemsworth?

Laci (00:40:47):

No. And

Cinematic Joshua (00:40:49):

I’m not sure at that time, you

Laci (00:40:50):

Look at any of their I MD b Cabinet in the woods is their most, you know how they put the known four, four movies at the top. It’s in all of theirs. And which is a shame because I find Jesse Williams very just his eyes, but he’s probably meant for network tv. He’s just good to look at

Matt (00:41:15):

And they’re all very busy TV actors except the guy who plays Marty was on Joss Whedon’s show Dollhouse. So he’s in the Joss Whedon stable, and I think he’s the one

Laci (00:41:23):

Who so was, I think Anna Hutchinson.

Matt (00:41:27):

She was,

Laci (00:41:27):

I think so. But yeah, I really like Marty. So it’s a bummer that he isn’t in very much, but he’s kind of shapeshifter the way that Sam Rockwell or Gary Oldman are. If you go look at him in any other movie or show, he is done. He looks just like this old. He looks like John Ham for some reason. He doesn’t look

Matt (00:41:48):

Really,

Laci (00:41:48):

It’s amazing what this hair is doing for him and the voice he’s putting on. But you know how Sam Rockwell and Garman can just become a whole other, they never look like who they are because their look is a vehicle for other looks. They are made to dress up into a character because their base is so palatable, so baked potato to come back to the potato.

Matt (00:42:13):

And this is a character playing a character without realizing it. He’s like, he’s not that much of a stoner. I’m not that much of a

Laci (00:42:19):

Burnout. He almost seems like he’s so smart and so anxious and aware of the weird reality he lives in, that he’s smoking weed to deal with it. And he’s not wrong.

Cinematic Joshua (00:42:31):

Great character. I think I recognize Fran, I’m looking at his filmography now. He is in a movie called a TV set, which I love about filmmaking, making a TV show. And he’s been in a bunch of other movies before that. He’s one of those actors. He’s seen a little bit, but you don’t know his name. Other ones are all pretty young in their careers though.

Matt (00:42:48):

I think it’s just that Chris Hemsworth is in there. So you’re like, oh, these other people are probably also people. And they’re all people. They’re all very successful working actors. It’s just one of them happened to become the

Cinematic Joshua (00:43:00):

Mega star, but this is one of his first roles. And if I could go back in time, star Trek for a minute, and that was about

Matt (00:43:06):

It. Yes. Star Trek came out, was going to come out later this summer, and he’s so good. He’s in the opening sequence of that movie. But he’s amazing in that movie to go back in time and say, Chris, do not play Thor. Please have an actual movie career instead.

Laci (00:43:21):

But wait, but he’s still going to get to have one and look at him. How could you deny him? He’s great. He’s so

Matt (00:43:25):

Tall. No, he’s great at Thor. It’s just playing a superhero. Doesn’t do anything for anybody except for r J’s.

Cinematic Joshua (00:43:33):

The only one. I don’t have that superhero. You’re right.

Matt (00:43:37):

Because it just becomes like, you are not, it’s not because of you. It’s because of the character. It’s because of

Cinematic Joshua (00:43:41):

He’s stuck in the character. But I like how Thor has evolved throughout the movies, especially what’s happening now.

Laci (00:43:47):

He’s gotten to really show

Cinematic Joshua (00:43:48):

His characters a lot of arcs,

Laci (00:43:50):

And he’s really gotten to show his comedic chops through that character. And I feel like Thor wouldn’t have been what he became if it weren’t for the talent of Hemsworth.

Matt (00:44:00):

Oh, absolutely. Again, he’s the best. I like Thor. I like him as Thor. I’m just saying,

Laci (00:44:05):

I like him.

Matt (00:44:06):

He’s

Laci (00:44:06):

A great guy.

Matt (00:44:07):

I think for a lot of these Marvel actors, one takes up so much of your time that you probably could have. But the avenue, it’s not the nineties anymore. The kinds of movies you used to be able to make don’t get made anymore. But he’s also great in this movie as a nothing character. You kind of can’t take your eyes off of him. He

Cinematic Joshua (00:44:25):

Breaks so much. I think all the actors are fantastic in this and what their characters are. Again, I wish we got to know ’em a little bit more before they’ve kind of become the archetypes for what the old Gods want. But yeah, I think they all did great. And I never saw Anna Hutchison anything before, but she’s awesome in this movie.

Matt (00:44:42):

She is great. She’s really good. So the lead, Dana is in her underwear. And just that in of itself, it’s like it’s a bit strange. Why is a woman just hanging out in her house in her underwear with the window wide open?

Laci (00:44:57):

And I make sure to tell you every time we do see, because it’s also in the fucking Grind House movie where the DJ lady, just like in her underwear and shirt, just being sexy on her own. Women don’t do that. We’re cold.

Cinematic Joshua (00:45:12):

Yeah, we’re cold. It’s a bit odd. She also was talking to her roommate, I guess her friend who, it’s Anna, who’s Anna Hutchison, the blonde. And then Chris comes in and starts talking to her and no discussion until a couple minutes later. You have no pants? Oh yeah. I forgot that wasn’t wearing pants for some reason. It’s a little bizarre, but we’ll let it slide because she’s hot, right?

Matt (00:45:32):

The deal with Kurt, Chris Hemsworth is like, he’s acting like a jock, but he’s actually on academic scholarship. He knows all these philosophy professors and philosophy books. And he’s like, oh, just Ray this book for professor, whatever. He’ll be really impressed. And

Laci (00:45:48):

He even picks on his hot girlfriend saying, who gave you these? How do you know what to do with these? I learned it from watching you. I love that. Because in just that little back and forth, you see these guys actually really like each other. Love each other are funny. There is substance here. These are not just two people we should kill off.

Matt (00:46:07):

And what do we always say? We like seeing

Laci (00:46:08):

People laughing at each other’s jokes in real life. Exactly. Like actual relationship shit. To quit pretending there’s a fucking audience there.

Matt (00:46:19):

And not just with these two later when Marty makes the joke about, he’s like, I think these gas pumps, I think this is barter gas. Chris Hemsworth laughs. Oh, you just said something funny. That’s funny. I love that. I love that so much.

Laci (00:46:33):

Chris Hemsworth is really the one that knows how to do it the most naturally. I think these other actors, when they’re just paired off without him, don’t remember to do that. Because Marty very funnily walks by Jules and Holden after they’ve been kissing. He just says he’s got a husband’s bulge. And both of them just look like startled and surprised that there’s a boner when in real life you’d both be like, ha about a boner. Anyway. Yeah. Yeah.

Matt (00:47:00):

Even that is because these characters, they’re not teenagers. They’re in college and they’re all played by actors who are in their late twenties. So even that is you have the cognitive dissonance of we’re making out on the sofa and talking about, we’re having sort of high school as conversations about how far we want this to go only as far as a

Cinematic Joshua (00:47:18):

Truth and dare truth or dare

Matt (00:47:20):

A truth or dare. Yes, exactly.

Laci (00:47:21):

It’s almost like the cabin knows you’re going to play truth or dare because it blows open that cellar as if that’s a part of it. And I like that they don’t explain, but it’s like you don’t give people a TV and there aren’t smartphones that are woven in yet. So they’re going to resort to what’s an adult game we didn’t bring. What if they brought Cards against Humanity and just totally fuck up all the plans. And they’re like, no games. You can’t bring them in.

Cinematic Joshua (00:47:46):

Something would happen. They find a way to get rid of that game

Matt (00:47:49):

Or

Cinematic Joshua (00:47:49):

Something. Yeah,

Matt (00:47:50):

The cards would

Cinematic Joshua (00:47:50):

Combust.

Matt (00:47:53):

They’re heading out of the house jewels. She’s got all these suitcases and Kurt’s like Where’re only going for awaken. And she’s like, you won’t be upset when you hear what, you see what I’ve got in these suitcases. And you’re like, well, I’ll stop my complying then.

Laci (00:48:07):

A lot of dildo Des,

Matt (00:48:09):

What does she have in there?

Laci (00:48:10):

Dildo Des Never was the Sea Think so. No, it’s unclear.

Cinematic Joshua (00:48:13):

Just probably lingerie and stuff like that. Sexy things.

Laci (00:48:16):

Sexy, sexy

Cinematic Joshua (00:48:17):

Things. It’s a lot of sexy things.

Laci (00:48:18):

I do think equipment, apparently. I think equipment is implied.

Matt (00:48:22):

Okay. I don’t think, I

Laci (00:48:24):

Mean, I look at Chris and I know he’s down to Peg.

Matt (00:48:27):

Okay, that’s okay. You think that’s what’s happening?

Laci (00:48:30):

I hope so.

Matt (00:48:31):

Alright. Yeah, I hope so too.

Laci (00:48:32):

I’d pegged that.

Matt (00:48:33):

Oh, the God of Thunder. Indeed. So, okay. But then Marty pulls up and just a great, one of these great touches that I only noticed. I watched the movie twice. He gets out of his car, his window is down, he locks the door, pulls on the handle to make sure it’s locked and then walks away even though his window is down. I love that so much that he takes the time to make sure my car is locked even though my window is down.

Laci (00:48:57):

He’s a paranoid person. And for good reason, even though he’s also a pothead

Matt (00:49:04):

And an enormous, has the bong, the coffee Thermos bong great. But then as they pull away and just the detail that they’re getting in an RV and they’re like, we’re all going to Kurt’s cousin’s house. Kurt’s made up. Come on.

Laci (00:49:18):

I like that. It’s brought up at the very end. I don’t even think he has a cousin. Why would you know that Girlfriend or best friend of his girlfriend?

Matt (00:49:27):

Because so many horror movies are like, yeah, we’re going to go stay at my cousin’s house. I’ve talked to my cousin 10 times in my life. I’m just kidding. I have one who listens, but it’s not, people aren’t always going to stay with their strange cousins at a lake house or whatever. But we pan up and we see a man on the roof who says into a walkie-talkie, the nest is

Laci (00:49:45):

Empty. I am curious how they become chosen, but I don’t care that we don’t find out how.

Matt (00:49:51):

Oh,

Cinematic Joshua (00:49:53):

Well that’s what happens. So they do this every year is an annual event they have to do. So before that, the 300, 360, whatever days it was before, that’s when they’re doing all the planning, the research and figuring out what kind of friend groups there are, what we can make the archetypes of these, which one’s going to be satisfy it for the

Matt (00:50:09):

Pre-production and

Cinematic Joshua (00:50:10):

Casting the sacrifice and stuff. Yeah, exactly.

Laci (00:50:12):

Can we get Holden to need to switch over from state? Yes, we can. Because we need an egghead.

Matt (00:50:17):

Even that line he just transferred over from state, that’s a movie line. People don’t talk that way.

Laci (00:50:23):

And we need her to break up with her professor because that makes her a little bit of a slut. And we need her to fall in love with the egghead. So we don’t say what happens, but we are going to make sure that relationship’s over with, you need to pick me up at the cabin.

Matt (00:50:37):

So, oh shit. They’ve accidentally driven into Texas Chainsaw Massacre. They drive through a scary tunnel and then go to, I guess this is before the tunnel. Yeah, before the tunnel go to this gas station, which was just a real person’s house with a Confederate flag. Despite being in rural British Columbia. I love the Canadian with the confederate flags.

Matt (00:51:01):

And then this guy comes out, this actor who I wrote his

Laci (00:51:04):

Name, think they bloodshot his eye or give him one of those vein pops right before the film, just so it looks extra creepy.

Matt (00:51:11):

They must have,

Laci (00:51:11):

Because I mean, that’s real. That’s real.

Cinematic Joshua (00:51:13):

Yeah. He’s creepy for

Matt (00:51:14):

Sure. Tim Dzan is a Mordecai, the gas station owner. He is the harbinger. He has to give them the warning Crazy Ralph in the Friday, the 13th movies don’t go that way. That way is cursed. You’re all going to die. And then tells Jules she is a whore and they’re all like, wait, what? Not only is it an insult, but it’s also confusing. What did she do? But he just knows he’s read the script. You’re the whore. Oh, and I love, they’re going to stay at the old Buckner place. I’ve seen plenty come and go. I’ve been here since the war. Which war? Which war? You know damn well, which war?

Laci (00:51:48):

War. I mean, I’m assuming Vietnam, but the War of the Worlds

Matt (00:51:56):

Since that Ice Cube movie came out. Oh God, don’t remind me. They go through that tunnel in the mountain. We see the bird crash into the wire frames and they arrive at the titular cabin in the woods. Cool. This movie was shot by Peter Deming, the cinematographer, who also shot Evil Dead too. So it’s literally like, let’s go get the guy who, he didn’t invent the visual language for these kinds of movies, but he is a very important guy. He worked with Sam Ramey a lot, also worked with David Lynch, shot Lost Highway and Mulholland Drive and Laci get this DP shot Drop Dead Fred. Oh yes. But among other things, I think this movie looks really good. It’s really well shot. And really it’s one of the rare horror movies that really, really integrates CGI in a very effective way, I think.

Laci (00:52:47):

And it works because what they’re showing you movie tropes. So when they look a little CGI ish, when all the big bads are coming down on the building and killing all the office workers, it’s like you can forgive it because it’s like, oh, that just looked like a mishmash of everything I’ve ever seen in a movie. It’s fine.

Matt (00:53:05):

And they’ll throw in so much at you at once. Can’t really, you’re not going to be like, wait a minute.

Laci (00:53:09):

I love the layers upon layers of guts and blood looks. And then you just hear the bong of the elevators and you’re just like, and here we go again.

Cinematic Joshua (00:53:19):

They did a lot. They tried to do everything practical, what they could do, and they married it with the visual effects, what they couldn’t do. I think it looks great. I think most of ’em look really, I don’t think it looks too cge ish. I think it’s fantastic.

Matt (00:53:31):

No, I agree. It’s do practical while you can and just everything’s designed well and it’s integrated very well. So they go into this cabin

Laci (00:53:42):

Which looks completely dead and abandoned, and the more they’re in it, the more life comes from it. It looks tiny, and yet there’s four rooms for them to each have their

Matt (00:53:53):

Own. Oh, that’s a good

Laci (00:53:54):

Point. It must be a very long cabin because it looks like there may be one room from the outside. Doesn’t make sense.

Matt (00:54:01):

Yeah, you’re right. And Marty’s the one who can sense something is amiss, but no one else seems to be picking up on just the vibes of the world.

Laci (00:54:11):

It’s almost set up like a camp, a summer camp where you walk in and that’s the common area. And then as you go down the hall, there’s rooms for everybody. So it’s almost like it’s a camp counselor building. It’s meant to have one place where there’s a kitchen and people where you can talk and then everyone gets their own room.

Matt (00:54:31):

They go in, they’re all very, oh, it looks great. Jules says to Chris, Emsworth are, you’re going to kill a raccoon for me. He’s like, oh, ears. It’s skin to make a cap. He’s excited. That’s what cute

Laci (00:54:41):

Two with a

Matt (00:54:41):

Raccoon. He’s excited about killing a raccoon.

Laci (00:54:43):

That’s how you make a hat. Okay. They all diligently go straight to their rooms to unpack like you do for a two night stay anywhere. No, and that is when we start noticing that there are weird things about this cabin, but we haven’t got a chance to really talk or meet Holden. We don’t know what he’s about and we think, Hey, you know what? He seems kind of nice because he’s not okay with the gruesome painting that is on his wall. So he is like, not today, Satan. And he takes it off and then a very creepy first shot of her just staring into the room because it’s actually a two-way mirror and he’s amused by it and really starting to her a lot, the virgin. So I don’t know. It kind of lets you know like, okay, he’s actually into her. He’s not like, oh God, they’re setting me up. You don’t know yet. You don’t know if he’s into it at all. And then of course she goes to start taking off for shirt and Oh, he’s a good guy. He does want to see a little bit of titty, but he does stop. I can see your tits. So it tells us, it’s a smart way of telling us a whole lot about this one character who we’re spending maybe five minutes with total.

Cinematic Joshua (00:55:56):

Yeah, great character working in movie for sure. Rich

Laci (00:55:59):

Shit. I’m sorry.

Cinematic Joshua (00:56:01):

I wanted to ask you about this painting. So it’s an interesting gruesome painting with disturbing imagery, but why would the workers put that there to keep get ’em off guard? Why would they want them to think something was amiss? I’m confused by that

Laci (00:56:15):

Part because they have to keep choosing to stay there.

(00:56:19):

I think there needs to be enough weirdness if a seller popped. I don’t know that I’m staying in the place that I’m at. I mean, it does seem like cheating, that they’re pumping in chemicals and making them dumber and more intoxicated and less inhibited and all those things. That’s not really them. But I live in a world where sellers don’t pop open and then there’s haunted horrific toys inside. So I think I just go home and they do allude to that. They all, as long as they don’t transgress, they will not be attacked. But what’s weird to me is why is the transgression reading Latin? Why is it transgression playing with the also Hemsworth character figures out really quickly that puzzle ball. Why didn’t that unlock it? Why wasn’t that the thing that chose it?

Cinematic Joshua (00:57:10):

Does he? Well, that’s later on. But when we get to the seller part, we can talk about That

Laci (00:57:15):

Didn’t belong to,

Cinematic Joshua (00:57:16):

They didn’t get it all done,

Laci (00:57:18):

But

Cinematic Joshua (00:57:18):

There’s a great scene that we could talk about in a little bit, but

Laci (00:57:21):

He did solve the first puzzle.

Cinematic Joshua (00:57:22):

They were getting close to it, but the one who actually got the deed done was when she read out the diary

Laci (00:57:29):

And it implies

Cinematic Joshua (00:57:29):

That they’re all very close to it.

Laci (00:57:31):

Yes. Like her putting on the necklace of the bride, that would’ve started it for that one. Him cranking the ballerina would’ve triggered the ballerina. But no, she found the book, which is apparently what people are drawn to because that whole seller kind of seems to be focused around them. There’s portraits of them and shit and

Matt (00:57:48):

Well, and they’ll talk about like, see, they have to be making free choices, but of course none of this, these are not free choices at all. People make choices based on the circumstances they’re in, and if you put them in a certain circumstance, they’re going to make a certain decision.

Laci (00:58:01):

And that’s why I was talking about that. I’m sorry. Yes. I think that’s why the creepy painting, I’m not clear on do they want them to find the two-way mirror? I think that they do. I think that either allows the person on the other side to get real sexed up or they can use it against them or with them depending on what it is. I think the only thing that happens outside of the plan is that the fool finds the camera, but he even tricks himself into explaining that away.

Cinematic Joshua (00:58:31):

Right. Well, because high a lot. But I love the idea about getting tested. I guess that’s part of the rules, but I wonder if they would go through all this trouble a year of work, get them there, and then allow them to leave. You think if they had all this weird disturbing paintings mirrors, should we just go? Would they allow them to get out and go through that tunnel without force field this time wouldn’t

Laci (00:58:53):

Allowed to. That’s

Matt (00:58:53):

But they’re just saying that.

Laci (00:58:55):

They’re saying

Matt (00:58:55):

If it actually happened, they would shoot a missile at em or something.

Laci (00:58:58):

Well, and it sounds like, well, but again, I think that on different years they can just let them go because it just happened that this year it was down to Japan and them. But Unseemingly, every single country has this trial, and as long as one of them get them, it’s just that it hasn’t been down to just the two of us in a very long time.

Cinematic Joshua (00:59:18):

It too close long time.

Laci (00:59:19):

Right.

Cinematic Joshua (00:59:19):

I get that.

Laci (00:59:19):

And they really wanted Japan to do it so they didn’t have to kill these kids.

Cinematic Joshua (00:59:25):

I don’t think they care either way about that. I think they care. It’s too corporate. They’re doing the job. They know it’s for the greater good. They don’t really care who dies or what. In that case, they just have to get, get the job done. So these ancient ones don’t rise up and kill a Manny. They don’t care at this point. They’re desensitized to, they do it every year.

Matt (00:59:43):

I agree. It’s far of their job. I think that their relationship to them is like a filmmaker to a fictional character.

Cinematic Joshua (00:59:49):

I like that. I love,

Laci (00:59:50):

I want this be a hit. I don’t care how, I don’t care who makes it a hit, just it needs to be a

Matt (00:59:54):

Hit. I mean, it sounds like, okay, I know how this is going to sound. I’ve written fiction. Oh God. You can get attached to characters and feel like

Matt (01:00:04):

Is kind of cruel of me to just make somebody do something now. They’re not a real person. No, but you can start to feel that way, and I bet if that’s your whole life is inventing fictional people, you probably do start to feel like, it’s weird when I make all these people do

Laci (01:00:20):

Right. I can have them live any kind of life that I want, but I torture them.

Matt (01:00:25):

And the painting thing being so gruesome, I almost read that as these filmmakers are getting really lazy, we’re not even putting that much effort into the set decoration. We’re going to make it really obvious how horrifying this painting is.

Cinematic Joshua (01:00:40):

Isn’t that effort? Yeah, it’s unclear when the fool finds the cameras and thinks he’s in a reality show as such. It’s interesting. Well, how do they hide it well enough? Are they getting lazy? Part of this, what I think is brilliant about this movie is how the workers are just not great at their jobs. Sometimes they’ve done it for a long time, but they’re getting lazy. They’re making fun of the harbinger in front of him, that kind of thing. Later on. They’re not paying attention to all the time. Even though this is super important for humanity, they’re still being lackadaisical about it and talking shit and goofing off and things like that. So I love the aspect of it where they’re not super just clean cut worker guys just getting the job done. The one black guy in there who’s new to the team. So I love the aspect of it. Matt, I wanted to ask you though, do you have anything about, are there any spinoffs in the works, any prequel ideas, that kind of thing for this movie? Do you have that in your later on, what you’re going to talk about?

Matt (01:01:41):

I didn’t see anything about that. I was going to say, I love the amount that this movie explains. It’s just enough. I don’t want anymore. I guess how I’m very grateful this movie didn’t come out during the streaming age because there would’ve been a streaming series that no one would’ve watched.

Cinematic Joshua (01:01:56):

I disagree. I want a streaming series, I want a TV show. I want more development of different countries. Obviously I’d be a prequel, the ending, which we’re doing spoilers here. So I want more of that, learn more about the rules, maybe more of the setup, that kind of thing. There could be a lot of different things you could explore in a TV show or a prequel or a spinoff. So I absolutely want that. I love the world and I love the ideas about it.

Laci (01:02:19):

It I’d like to go back to the thing about that these guys should be good at their job. No, they should not. Because just like in trap, when there’s a hundred, 300 cops all there to look for this one criminal, that disperses the responsibility across a whole lot of people. Nobody wants to be the guy that catches them. They just want ’em to get caught. So the way they’re so casually talking about stuff about their family life on the day, on the day, it’s got to happen. They’re not alarmed because they have been pinch hitters in the past and they’ve been able to make it happen,

Laci (01:02:53):

They are not usually the ones that it is left down to. So I mean, what could once every 10 years, it’s down to just America. I don’t think they’re as practiced as you think. I think they probably get second place a lot, or they’re the Japan most years or whatever. But it’s not left to them to do it. And it’s just like in a fricking execution. You don’t want to know you’re the one that shot them. You just need them to be shot.

Matt (01:03:20):

Yeah. I think

Laci (01:03:21):

That doesn’t make you a precision shooter. It just makes you a shooter.

Matt (01:03:24):

Yeah. I don’t think they’re good at their job. I think that,

Laci (01:03:27):

I don’t know how they could be. I think they just have a lot of techniques and they use what they have and they do as much as they have to do, but at the end of the day, they’re running. That’s why I thought capitalism, it’s like, eh, we’re part of a bad machine.

Cinematic Joshua (01:03:41):

It’s part of that too. There’s so many different allegories to this movie. That’s what makes it brilliant, I think. Yeah. So they’ve been doing it for a while, so they’ve kind of lost their humanity with that was saying. There’s parts where you said Bradley Whitford was talking about like, oh, maybe they don’t want ’em to die, or they don’t want ’em to die recently, but they know that it needs to be done. So they’re kind of joking about other things like later on, we haven’t got to it yet, but during the party, they get an early party, a success party, and yet she’s still being hunted by the guy and nobody cares. Nobody’s watching it. It’s not important to them because they’re not wrestling with that moral conundrum like no would anymore because they’ve been doing it for years.

Matt (01:04:25):

They tried a lot harder when they first started.

Laci (01:04:27):

I think they also know that she’s already been put through so much that it’s almost better if she dies. I mean, that’s what I think about all the time about the Final Girl or anyone that survives any horrific experience in a movie. Just kill them. Because I’m about to watch your movie later. That’s just about your depression from your past trauma. That’s the next movie. Because spoiler alert, your life is not going to go well.

Cinematic Joshua (01:04:49):

You’re

Laci (01:04:50):

Going to procreate and then

Cinematic Joshua (01:04:51):

You too traumatized, fucked

Laci (01:04:51):

Up to more people, traumatized people that put ’em down. And that’s me as a traumatized person.

Cinematic Joshua (01:05:00):

Drew Goddard, they got, I don’t, maybe Jos salsa, but they got inspired by the banality of corporate work. But also when you’re doing dangerous things like people are doing saying mundane things about, oh, how was your weekend? But they’re also making bombs in the meantime. They’re making weapons, things like that. That’s where they got inspiration from

Laci (01:05:18):

For sure.

Cinematic Joshua (01:05:18):

For this kind of corporation. I wish they named the corporation at some point or the organization. They never do, right?

Laci (01:05:24):

Acme?

Matt (01:05:26):

No, they don’t. No, it’s just nice

Cinematic Joshua (01:05:28):

Name.

Matt (01:05:29):

It’s just the whatever.

Laci (01:05:32):

It reminds me of the, what you’re talking about reminds me of the movie we watched just this past, I think 2024. The one where the people who live right next to Auschwitz or whatever, the

Matt (01:05:42):

Zone of interest.

Laci (01:05:43):

The zone of interest, it’s like, yep, we just got to decorate the house and raise our kids. And

Matt (01:05:47):

No, everything is a job and people will get used to anything and we’ll treat anything that they’re always doing casually. Like every time Israeli soldiers going into Palestinians houses and recording like, dude, bro, I’m stealing their shit, bro. It’s like everyone will treat everything casually. And so the chemist, Ms. Lynn comes back in and she explains, they’ve put rohypnol in jules’s hair dye, and it’s sinking into her scalp. That’s why she’s

Laci (01:06:16):

What is for hypno?

Matt (01:06:18):

I looked this up. They said it increases her libido. And I was like, it does.

Laci (01:06:21):

No, they said it makes her dumb.

Matt (01:06:23):

No. To increase her libido.

Laci (01:06:25):

No, they said it makes her dumb.

Matt (01:06:26):

No, they said they put,

Laci (01:06:28):

Okay, well, what is a dot? It

Matt (01:06:31):

Is the date rape drug. It makes you dumb. But they specifically say, we are putting this in to increase her libido.

Laci (01:06:36):

No, they do not. They say, I

Matt (01:06:37):

Promise you,

Laci (01:06:37):

They say libido. The libido thing is after, that’s when they spray the pheromones.

Matt (01:06:41):

I promise you. They say it right here. I wrote it down. I wrote down the drug. They said, I was like, is that really what that does?

Laci (01:06:47):

Fine.

Matt (01:06:48):

Almost 40. I need some of that, but no, no, no. Give

Laci (01:06:52):

It to me. It’s just

Matt (01:06:53):

The date rape drug. So again, these are not free choices these characters are making. We’re literally chemically altering them.

Laci (01:06:59):

That’s like saying someone who gets date raped would chose that.

Matt (01:07:02):

Yes,

Laci (01:07:03):

Exactly. That’s crazy.

Matt (01:07:04):

Back at the cabin. Everyone takes a swim in the lake. None of us, nobody should swim in a lake. Lakes are creepy. Lakes are weird. Don’t do it. Don’t do it.

Laci (01:07:11):

If you can’t see your feet,

Matt (01:07:12):

You’d swim in a lake.

Cinematic Joshua (01:07:13):

Joshua might swim in your nose.

Laci (01:07:14):

I’d swim in plenty of lakes,

Cinematic Joshua (01:07:15):

But I have not very often, I don’t make a practice. But yeah, I’m always concerned about the amoeba situation. Nose. You

Laci (01:07:22):

Don’t want to come out with

Cinematic Joshua (01:07:22):

Bleaches. That’s where they live. A lot of times in lakes that are not prepped or cleaned or anything.

Matt (01:07:30):

Both of those things, amoeba’s and touching the floor of the lake, cleaned lakes are not clean. Clean because it’s just water that just sits there. Water. That’s gross.

Laci (01:07:37):

And that is my thing about stagnant water. If you go to a place with stacking water, there’s someone that lives there underneath the water. This is why in Lake Placid, the alligator is not a bad person. He lives there Now a shark in a river, that shark can go get fucked.

Matt (01:07:52):

That’s a bad

Laci (01:07:52):

Person. That’s a bad person. You can just move on to a new town along there. People go something else. Become a vegan. You’ve got options. You’re going down the river.

Matt (01:08:02):

There’s some exceptions. Bull sharks are tolerant of fresh water. They’re not bad people because

Laci (01:08:06):

They’re not bad people because they What? Matt, go on. I was just going to hype you up,

Matt (01:08:11):

Because they’re tolerant of fresh, they’re

Laci (01:08:12):

Tolerant of fresh water, salt, water.

Matt (01:08:16):

So the camera pulls back to see, almost to take an audience perspective. We see these campers, they’re doomed. Like the campers at Crystal Lake back in the control room, Bradley Whitford and Richard Jenkins, they’re running a pool or who’s, which department’s

Laci (01:08:30):

Got a lot of money?

Matt (01:08:31):

Yeah,

Laci (01:08:31):

Stacks.

Matt (01:08:32):

Which monster are they going to choose? Okay.

Laci (01:08:36):

Yeah. I forget until they start to do it like, wait, what are they betting on? And then I’m like, oh, it can’t be the order. The order is already set. And who dies first is the whore who lasts last is the virgin. I guess in the middle is fine, but they seem to say it goes whore jock fool, egghead whore. I mean Virgin. Okay. So I always, every time I’m going to watch this movie, I tell myself, you won’t look, when this part comes on the screen, you won’t look. And I know it’s coming. And it’s the truth or dare moment where the real sexed up jewels licks the ever everliving shit out of a fricking taxidermied moose wolf. I mean just all up in his mouth, ribs. You know what I mean? Where they’re like the mouth ribs and his fangs and all over his gingivitis and she’s just up in his snoot. It’s disgusting. It’s so sensual. It’s so in front of everybody. And she does a little theater kid moment in the beginning and everyone applauses and I am fucking creeped out.

Matt (01:09:38):

Anna Hutchinson. The actress is so good here.

Laci (01:09:40):

Yeah, that’s what she wants you to think.

Matt (01:09:42):

She’s so funny. Does not treat this like it’s ridiculous at all. I dare you to make out with that wolf. Oh, okay. Gets who me starts making out with the wolf. This is the scariest moment in the movie. Every time I see it is that wolf going to come to life in body.

Laci (01:09:55):

That’s what you’re scared.

Matt (01:09:56):

Every time. I think that

Laci (01:09:58):

Fucking so uncomfortable. I don’t like to watch anyone sex push on it like that.

Cinematic Joshua (01:10:01):

Want you think that?

Matt (01:10:02):

Yeah. Laci hates kissing. So kissing a wolf. No way.

Laci (01:10:05):

And she moves the taxidermy tongue. It moves because she’s licking it. It’s not,

Cinematic Joshua (01:10:11):

They put sugar on there for that scene to make it a little more enjoyable.

Laci (01:10:16):

That’s even,

Cinematic Joshua (01:10:17):

She’s a horse.

Laci (01:10:17):

She’s a fucking baby. A horse baby. Put some sugar. I guess someone

Cinematic Joshua (01:10:21):

Tastes bad. Also a salt lip.

Laci (01:10:23):

And then because she liked it so much, they put Tabasco on it, so she’d stop. That’s how they told. Cut, cut, cut. Anna. Anna. We’re going to use ca away.

Matt (01:10:34):

Okay, here’s another bad times at the Elroy aisle connection. Okay. Louis Pullman is in that movie he shares. He works at this motel that like lots of, where they take compromising videos of guests. He tells a very disturbing story about a man who once stayed in the room, brought in a chained up wild wolf. The man got naked, got into the bed with the wolf and slept and cuddled with the wolf all night long.

Laci (01:10:57):

Okay.

Matt (01:10:58):

Oh, really? So Drew Goddard has something with wolfs.

Laci (01:11:01):

Wait.

Matt (01:11:02):

Yeah.

Laci (01:11:02):

Oh, okay. Wait, okay.

Cinematic Joshua (01:11:05):

It’s weird. They mentioned this moose thing. I mean, a moose and the wolf look totally different. So I don’t know why even someone super high would not think it’d be case. But

Laci (01:11:14):

It’s,

Cinematic Joshua (01:11:14):

It’s a little bit odd, weird

Laci (01:11:15):

To mount a wolf’s head. It’s normal to mount a moose’s head. No niece are on the wall. Wolves are not.

Cinematic Joshua (01:11:24):

It’s more normal for a deer head than a moose. But I

Laci (01:11:27):

Guess you could see that’s because we’re in the south. In the north, A moose would be the head.

Matt (01:11:31):

He is being stupider than he should be.

Laci (01:11:35):

Yeah, but he’s not dumb because his weed is counteracting all the shit that’s being pumped in there.

Matt (01:11:42):

I mean, just again, they are playing truth or dare, like they’re teenagers and not 24 year olds. Who are,

Laci (01:11:47):

Would you do, would you talk about fucking football? Matt? Would I get so bored to tears? I’d start truth or daring your ass.

Matt (01:11:54):

I’m just glad they’re not on their phones.

Laci (01:11:56):

Choose. Tell me about it.

Matt (01:11:58):

The seller door blows open and Chris Hemsworth, like the wind must have blown it open. And Marty’s like that. Huh?

Laci (01:12:06):

That

Matt (01:12:06):

Makes no fucking sense.

Laci (01:12:08):

But also because they’re in a little bit of a pickle, they need to be turning the jock into a meathead jock. And he normally, he don’t normally chill. They need to be making the egghead more eggheady and the horror, blah, blah, blah, blah. But it’s almost like they’re sitting in this room for too long, and now the jock thing is being counterproductive because he’s being mean to the virgin. He’s like, what? Let’s just skip the part where you just puss out and then you just say, no, I meant truth. And she gets her feelings hurt because CURT’s not usually this curt. And then distraction. It’s a balance. They really, they’re good at their craft when they’re like, okay, shit’s going off the rails. They’ve seen it enough to know what leads to a,

Matt (01:12:52):

They go down into the basement of horrors. I mean, cellar door opening in a cabin in the woods. It is literally just evil dead. And they’re going down and it’s just chockfull of horror movie Easter eggs. There’s a billion scary dolls. And each of them gets attracted to a different object. There’s a music box, there’s a locket, there’s a film strip. Each of them corresponds with a different monster. Chris Hemsworth goes to a almost literal limit configuration from hell raise, which I have right here in my hand. I’ve been playing with it all episode.

Laci (01:13:24):

I was wondering why you had to clear it out. Don’t summon him.

Matt (01:13:28):

I cannot. Because this movie doesn’t do many specific things. It’s all like, it’s the werewolf. It’s a merman.

Cinematic Joshua (01:13:34):

They wanted to create their own, have their own stamp on a different kind of monster. A famous monster.

Matt (01:13:39):

No, I’ll show the C bytes they have later. But it’s like, how do they not get sued for this? Or do they just get permission to create their own hell raises,

Laci (01:13:46):

I mean, but it’s a nod, right? Don’t you want yours included? If they’re trying to say, here’s the horsed staples think. I think it’s an honor.

Matt (01:13:54):

Yes, I know. But if there’s some money to be made in, oh, you have to cut a check to whoever owns hell.

Laci (01:14:00):

Okay, but how could you not feel like the little girl that’s trying to scare and kill all the kids in Japan isn’t like the one from Ringo? Ringo?

Matt (01:14:09):

Because there’s a lot of

Laci (01:14:11):

What? Scary little Japanese.

Matt (01:14:12):

There’s scary little girls. A lot more generic than having a literal

Laci (01:14:15):

Puzzle box. No, that is a very specific scary little girl.

Matt (01:14:19):

That’s not true. That’s what Jay horror is. There’s a

Cinematic Joshua (01:14:22):

Lot of ghost

Matt (01:14:23):

Really crazy

Cinematic Joshua (01:14:23):

For that one.

Matt (01:14:24):

Yeah, that’s true.

Cinematic Joshua (01:14:25):

Did you write them the name of the hell raise Monster?

Matt (01:14:28):

I sure did. We’ll get to him. Cinnabon.

Cinematic Joshua (01:14:30):

Okay.

Matt (01:14:31):

Cinnabon. Yes. Names.

Cinematic Joshua (01:14:32):

They’re delicious. I was wondering, do you know what corresponds to the one that Jules is looking at with the wedding necklace? Who would that be?

Laci (01:14:39):

I didn’t see a bride, but there’s all kinds of movies about jilted brides.

Matt (01:14:43):

There is a bride. Yeah, there’s

Cinematic Joshua (01:14:45):

A bride.

Matt (01:14:46):

There’s a fandom wiki for this movie where every single thing is explained

Cinematic Joshua (01:14:50):

Because

Matt (01:14:51):

I have this screenshot of Richard Jenkins pointing at the big board with all the monsters. So you can see

Cinematic Joshua (01:14:56):

I love it. I love that whole scene and that shot. And it was a MeMed eventually too. But the problem with the meme thing is it’s a spoiler, so you can’t really use it unless you want to spoil something. But I love that I froze that and looked up all the monsters and stuff and see who could correspond to things. It’s such a great

Matt (01:15:14):

Two evil dead nods on the board. They literally say dead eye, which is a word from evil dead. And then they have,

Cinematic Joshua (01:15:19):

Oh yeah, that’s true.

Matt (01:15:21):

Angry molesting tree.

Cinematic Joshua (01:15:25):

And is that be the one at the end with the elevator that pulls ’em out, pulls the soldier out with his roots?

Laci (01:15:32):

Oh, I guess so. I thought it was an octopus. But

Matt (01:15:36):

That might be tree.

Cinematic Joshua (01:15:36):

Oh no, it’s a tree. It’s a tree.

Matt (01:15:39):

That tree can even go to up and down elevators. But the thing that everybody starts to get really into is this diary of patience. Buckner, this fucked up kid in this Puritan family in 1903 whose father is killing their mother and filling her belly with coal. God,

Laci (01:15:56):

They’re in a cult of pain. I pray for the pain to come back.

Matt (01:16:00):

Yeah, they worship pain. There’s some Latin words and Marty’s like, don’t read it, but then a voice whispers. Read it. He’s like, what? And only he can hear it. So she reads the words and then we cut away and see some zombie. I mean, it’s evil. Dad meets Texas chainsaw. I guess it

Laci (01:16:17):

Does feel unfair though, like the setting calls for the fucking family to come. The buckner’s. It’s the Buckner place. It’s what it’s called.

Matt (01:16:25):

Exactly.

Laci (01:16:25):

Also, the diary is a literal story. Everything else. You just got to go look at this found item. I wonder where that came from. Where everything, the diary is literally, here’s why I’m scary. And then Papa did this.

Matt (01:16:37):

It’s like if you went to Eastland, if you went to Jurassic Park and Hellraiser happened there, wonder then the dinosaurs just weren’t there,

Laci (01:16:44):

Right?

Cinematic Joshua (01:16:44):

Well, I mean, no, I mean we’re kind of guessing about what the process is, but do you think they take this take into the cabin every year?

Laci (01:16:50):

I think so, because I think it’s

Cinematic Joshua (01:16:51):

Different.

Laci (01:16:52):

It, it’s on top of the actual company it’s built in. Unless they put something new up there every now and then, I think they probably all pick their most winning idea. And yeah, I mean there’s a bunch of things that are horrific that fit the cabin, including a molesting tree and the end of the scary merman. You got a lake right there, but there are several things that would not fit

Matt (01:17:21):

Well. It’s like you’re playing Super Smash Brothers and you choose Mario, but Mario doesn’t just fight in the mushroom kingdom. He also fights in the Pokemon world. He fights in the star Fox world. You know what I’m saying?

Laci (01:17:32):

That ballerina with teeth for her face, bored. Wake me up later.

Cinematic Joshua (01:17:37):

I got to say. So this is one of my favorite Marty scenes. I love how Marty as the Stoner is, the fool is just one of my favorite characters of all time. I love how he lasts longer too. And you think he’s going to be gone and he comes back, but he’s always on the ball. He always knows more than everybody else does. He’s always has suspicions from the very beginning. Part of that’s because of the Sterner mentality, but also he, he’s what he’s trying to, he’s like, I dare us all to go upstairs. That kind of thing. He’s like, no, this is not great. Can we not get out of here? And he is like, I’m putting my hand in the sand or drawing the line in the sand. Do not read the Latin. And she keeps on doing it. So I do love Dana as a character too. But she makes two huge mistakes in this movie at least. And that’s one of ’em. Reading the Latin actually out loud, which is insane.

Laci (01:18:29):

What’s the other

Cinematic Joshua (01:18:30):

One? But yeah, I love how he’s always trying to get them to get out of the situation, but he’s getting

Matt (01:18:34):

Pulled into it. But even he’s smarter and more aware of it. But even he’s in his room and he hears the voice post. I’m going to take a walk. And then after a while he was like, I guess I’m going to go take a walk. It’s like you can be smart, smart. We’re susceptible to it, but we’re still just making the choices that are set out for us to make.

Cinematic Joshua (01:18:51):

And he’s trying to call him out. I dare us all to go upstairs. But then he eventually sees, oh, there’s a film reel over there. Me, I guess you guys are not listening to me. I guess I’ll just have to just find some time to kill also. And he eventually finds a film reel. And that’s the scene where as it goes along, the suspenseful suspense is so good. Everybody has their own thing they’re trying to do about Unleash a monster. And then eventually the reading.

Laci (01:19:16):

And well, what’s interesting is because he starts off the most intoxicated person to the point that Dana Even’s like, oh my God, look how high he is. And they love him, but he gets in and he’s so fucking stoned in the rambler. And then as the time goes on, he’s the most sober person because the shit they’re pumping into the cabin isn’t affecting him. And he’s the only one. He’s the only one seeing it for what it is. But because he’s already the stoner to them, his ramblings sound like stoner talk. So they flip his archetype too, even though it gets used against him.

Cinematic Joshua (01:19:49):

What are they pumping in the cabin that got Kurt to be like, he’s okay with the basement door, just like flying

Laci (01:19:55):

Open testosterone. He’s just so we’re here to go. Everything needs to be amped. I want to fuck that girl. Let’s go.

Matt (01:20:03):

Right? Because they go back upstairs and Jules is just dancing in the cabin

Laci (01:20:09):

And he’s like, yeah, you know, want to hit that. Yeah.

Matt (01:20:13):

And he’s like, he wouldn’t be doing this normally. She wouldn’t be doing this normally. But I love the Friday, the 13th series. There’s always one random person just dancing by themselves in a cabin. Something that has probably never happened in reality even once. Oh

Laci (01:20:25):

Shit, that’s just, you’re not a dancer. I dance wherever the fuck I am.

Matt (01:20:28):

Well, often to no music. Even playing

Laci (01:20:30):

Catch me on the Walmart camera.

Matt (01:20:32):

And so they decide they want to go outside to have some sex in the woods.

Laci (01:20:37):

That’s why we’re here. It’s romantic.

Matt (01:20:38):

And Marty once again is like, what is going on? Why is he, since, when is he acting? He since when is Kurt pull all this alpha jock bullshit? He’s on academic scholarship. It’s puppeteers. I tell you puppeteers. But no one wants to listen to him because like Laci said, he’s the stoner. He’s the stoner. Yes.

Laci (01:20:54):

And so they don’t expect the jock to get as far as he does, but the adrenaline he gets and the fear from watching someone he loves get killed and him being also chased, it sobers him up. So he comes back in the cabin like his normal self. He’s making good decisions and he’s guiding them to do the right thing. And then they pump more shit in his face. And damage him is worth your tall, you’re taller than anyone else. You’re getting the more shit in your face than anybody.

Matt (01:21:21):

Just his sort of movie star charisma is making everybody gravitate. Well, obviously he’s our leader. He’s got

Laci (01:21:28):

Blood on him. Mat, he’s seen some things. You got to follow that man.

Matt (01:21:33):

Yeah. So they’re going outside to have sex. But Jules is like, no, it’s too cold. Let’s go back inside.

Laci (01:21:37):

Chilly. So they warm

Matt (01:21:38):

Up. So they warm it up and pump pheromones and then she just initiates sex right there. Takes her boobs

Laci (01:21:42):

Out. No, what? She says it’s so dark and then they shine

Matt (01:21:45):

Light.

(01:21:46):

That’s all I needed was light. So they’re back in the control room. They’re like, come on, take your boobs out. Take your boobs out. And this new guy, Daniel, who’s the, I think guys, what we’re doing here is really problematic. Like shut up Daniel. They say, it’s not for us, it’s for you. Understand what’s at stake here. The ancient ones demand to see titties in movies because again, the ancient ones are just the American movie going public. They want to see torture porn and boobs. So they’re doing some foreplay. And then Jules gets their hand stabbed with a knife and the buckner’s attack. And as each person dies, we see the thing where they back in the control room, they pull a switch, blood gets drained down into this. What do we call these things? These busts with the outline of each archetype that the blood goes into.

Laci (01:22:36):

They just seem like

Matt (01:22:37):

The

Cinematic Joshua (01:22:37):

Patterns.

Laci (01:22:38):

Well, they seem like the tubes that go in your veins, right? These are just arteries. Arteries that fill up each of the, they fill the body of the archetype that they are the blood for. It’s literally arteries.

Matt (01:22:51):

Yeah. I mean, what do we literally call the object? The big stone, like tablet things. I’m

Laci (01:22:57):

Telling you what it is. Those are just tubes. Those are art or what do you mean? What do you

Cinematic Joshua (01:23:01):

Want? The ritualistic etchings of the archetypes. Yeah. They’re old and age. The archetype. Ritual.

Laci (01:23:08):

The little tracks. Matt, they’re little shooty tracks. What do you want me to fucking say, man?

Cinematic Joshua (01:23:12):

Yeah, we don’t dunno exactly the name, but Laci, you mentioned earlier how they have to D succession of that order. Do you think that’s true? Do they ever, they don’t spell that out.

Laci (01:23:20):

They all, they say, well, they do because the whore has to be first. And because the jock is with the whore, he goes next and the egg. So they go in the order of their moral value. So then goes the stoner because he didn’t hurt anybody, but he is on drugs. And then the egghead and then the virgin. Yes or no,

Cinematic Joshua (01:23:42):

The egghead. What did the egghead dude, that was a sin.

Laci (01:23:45):

He kissed the virgin. I’m serious.

Cinematic Joshua (01:23:48):

Yeah,

Laci (01:23:50):

And

Cinematic Joshua (01:23:50):

He, he’s reading

Laci (01:23:52):

Two, he read letters.

Cinematic Joshua (01:23:53):

I mean, do the monsters know to kill in the order? I mean, to me it seems like the monsters don’t know that. They don’t

Laci (01:24:00):

Know that.

Cinematic Joshua (01:24:00):

Aware of that kind of thing. So then what if they did kill the fool first or something? What happened?

Laci (01:24:06):

They said that the bottom line, as long as the virgin is last, it’s okay. They have an order that they try to do because that’s the best way you want the jock gone quickly because he’s going to be the most physically able to get away. And so I mean, they have a standard order because of movies having this standard order you want,

Cinematic Joshua (01:24:28):

I like that. They want it, but it doesn’t mean it has to be go that way. That’s

Matt (01:24:33):

Right. And even you, the audience watching when Marty dies or you think he dies, you’re like, yes, of course that character dies. And then he comes back and now he’s the hero of the movie. You’re like, this is messing with the way I’m viewing all of this. But it’s fun to think about all of this is all very traditional conservative. We’re offering all of this up at one point. There’s like, remember when you just throw a girl in a volcano? But people will say Hollywood, that’s like sicko liberal Hollywood. But Hollywood’s values are very traditional and conservative. The movies are oleic about upholding family. The nuclear family work hard and you’ll get ahead in life and you can titillate your viewers with boobs and violence and stuff. But in the end, we must uphold the traditional values of the virgin is the pure one who can survive and everyone else who transgresses has to be punished.

Laci (01:25:26):

At the end of the day, you’re trying to please the most people. And that’s the lowest common denominator because the success of a movie is how many people go see it rather than how good was it?

Matt (01:25:36):

And you’re making movies for companies, for giant corporations who rely on society being ordered a certain way,

Laci (01:25:44):

Right? I’ve got McDonald’s is featured in this movie. You can’t go be in too progressive.

Matt (01:25:51):

So they attack, they kill Jules. Marty goes outside to go for a walk against his will, and then Kurt runs up out, oh, the bloody are chasing me. And they run back into the You like my accents when you listen. I know. Sorry.

Cinematic Joshua (01:26:09):

It doesn’t sound Australian though. I’m surprised

Matt (01:26:10):

You if you say it. That’s a bit. I have got a, it’s a little bit I do on the podcast.

Cinematic Joshua (01:26:16):

It’s a funny bit. Long time. Should mention what I love about this movie, also how subversive it is, how subverts your ideas and the tropes and things like that. So it’s 44 minutes and then I get the first kill for a horror movie. That’s pretty unheard of, right? So that’s also something that makes it different

Laci (01:26:32):

For sure. And because we want to be rooting for these kids. So the more human they can make them, and the more these ideas were not things they did because they’re bad rowdy children. They were trying to cheer up a friend who just got dumped in a very bad way and a new guy came in town and we’re being good kids who just want to go on a lake.

Matt (01:26:52):

Yeah.

Laci (01:26:53):

Idiots. You don’t wear brass.

Matt (01:26:55):

I think Joshua, a more conventional movie would be like the first five minutes would be last year’s cabin in the woods campers getting killed,

Laci (01:27:01):

Right? Like a flash for

Matt (01:27:03):

Back. And then it’s like one year later now we’re meeting the new group of people coming in,

Laci (01:27:07):

Right? Because we as the audience, we want to know, we came here to see some gross shit. Show me something gross real fast.

Matt (01:27:13):

And so they decide they’re going to barricade. Well, we got to get out of here. They decide, and Dana says, I’m not leaving without jus. Well, then there’s a knock on the door and it’s a giant Buckner zombie. And he just throws the dismembered head of

Laci (01:27:26):

There she is

Matt (01:27:27):

Of Jules.

Cinematic Joshua (01:27:28):

Well, that was the second huge mistake that Dana made. She opened the door after saying, don’t go out there. She opened the door and let them come in. That was a second huge. I can’t believe a final girl would make a big mistake like

Laci (01:27:41):

That. Also, not she’s in shock and her best friend, it may be dead, but to her, she might also be alive. So I get the impulse.

Cinematic Joshua (01:27:49):

Maybe there’s the whole pheromones and different chemicals and things they’re messing with their actual reason,

Matt (01:27:58):

Usual reasoning. Kurt now says, okay, hey, we’re all going to stay together and we’re going to check systematically every room for weaknesses and then back in the control. And they’re like, damn it. This is, they’re like cinema sins now they’re like, here’s everything they did wrong in the movie, but they’re

Laci (01:28:12):

Like, shit, they’re going to behave correctly now. Got to pump in more dumb ass drugs. And then he is like, why a minute everybody, it’s all split up. But if they’re doing their fucking research and they’re working on getting just the right group for a year, why did you target all these scholars? This is a really intelligent group of people. Jules is pre-med. The other one’s in fricking psychology. He’s a fricking scholar, whatever the hell,

Matt (01:28:37):

Because they’re getting glazier at the job. They’re

Laci (01:28:39):

Like, we’re just looking for hot guys. That who

Cinematic Joshua (01:28:43):

Year after year you got to take, we can get some times maybe. Maybe it’s harder

Laci (01:28:47):

Everyone

Cinematic Joshua (01:28:48):

To orchestra a friendship rather than to deal with a friendship that a group that already has certain archetypes you could maybe

Laci (01:28:54):

Fix. Right? Right. We’ve got four out of our five. We just need to find a way to get that fifth in there that’s easier than three out of five.

Matt (01:29:01):

So they get into the RV and they escape to Kurt, Dana and Holden because oh, Marty finds fucking the camera in his room and he says, I’m on a reality TV show, which is of course the conclusion you should reach. My parents are going to think I’m such a burnout. But then he gets kidnapped or he gets taken by the zombies, presumably he’s dead. Meanwhile, in Japan, the school girls have managed to overcome the demon and turn it into a farmer’s frog. Oh yeah. He’s horrible. And they’re all celebrating,

Laci (01:29:37):

Fuck you and fuck you, you little 9-year-old

Matt (01:29:38):

Richard. So funny.

Cinematic Joshua (01:29:40):

So

Laci (01:29:40):

Funny.

Matt (01:29:42):

And they get a call from Ms. Lynn and she’s like, guys, this isn’t good. If the ancient ones rise. And they’re like, shut up. They hang up. We know.

(01:29:49):

So, oh, and there’s the thing with they’re heading toward the tunnel and Richard Jenkins finds out the tunnel has not been caved in. The demolition department was supposed to take care of that, but they didn’t. God damn it. So he runs and takes care of it himself. So our heroes, they realize they have to back out of the tunnel and they’re like, God, we’re so close. If we could just jump this gorge somehow. And Chris Hemsworth’s like, wait a minute, I’ve got a bikee. This is another thing it seems like we should have established. He has a dirt bike or he loves to ride dirt bikes or something.

Laci (01:30:21):

He brought it up a rambler. It’s his rambler and he brought it ramp the,

Matt (01:30:24):

But I don’t the whole time. It’s

Laci (01:30:26):

Time. You notice it the whole

Matt (01:30:27):

Time. They

Laci (01:30:28):

Show the bike when they pump gas, when they show the van going, when they show them leaving and going through the tunnel, dirt bike the whole time.

Matt (01:30:35):

Laci,

Laci (01:30:35):

Jesus, Matt

Matt (01:30:36):

Laci. I don’t think I’ve noticed it. They shoulda have had a shot of it. I agree.

Laci (01:30:39):

They have a million shots.

Matt (01:30:41):

What kind? No, you need to call attention to it. He’s a

Laci (01:30:43):

Fucking tall, good

Matt (01:30:44):

Looking. Frame it up,

Laci (01:30:45):

Man. No,

Matt (01:30:46):

Y’all are all stupid. I’m glad you want to marry Jo Weeden.

Laci (01:30:48):

I can’t. Jos wheen. No. Chris Hemsworth.

Matt (01:30:53):

Oh yeah. Again, again, we’d

Laci (01:30:56):

Welcome. You can come visit.

Matt (01:30:57):

Thank you. You’re welcome. So he now, Chris Hemsworth is now in full fucking movie star mode. And I love Dana is too. She’s like, I’m the nice lady who gives the hero a kiss on the cheek. Good luck, and you sure you can make that jump? And he’s like, I’ve made bigger jumps before. I’m coming back with cops and chapas and big fucking guns

Laci (01:31:20):

Because God damn it, we’re mostly white

Matt (01:31:22):

And those things are going to pay for jewels. And then they kiss him and they kiss him. They both kiss him. Good luck. And this is great. He triumphantly leaps in the air and it goes on for a long time. Oh yeah. He would’ve made it. The camera panning over the triumphant music and then just crashes into the wire frames

Laci (01:31:40):

And goes down forever

Matt (01:31:41):

Falls to the

Laci (01:31:42):

Ancient ones. It’s

Matt (01:31:43):

Great because

Laci (01:31:44):

The cavern goes down to the ancient.

Matt (01:31:46):

Yes.

Cinematic Joshua (01:31:47):

Just it’s such a good job at, like I said, the triumph music really swelling and having that big heroic moment like you do in Deep blue Sea, which is a bit of a spoiler, but before that death happens. And I love that. It’s like you don’t expect that at all. You maybe have some idea, maybe you have an idea that, oh, this is maybe the force field area we saw earlier with the bird, but you probably forget about that.

Laci (01:32:07):

No, I know.

Cinematic Joshua (01:32:08):

It’s just that keeps you on your toes and they keep on surprising you with what’s going to happen next. It’s like you would not think when you first saw this movie or saw a preview or even the beginning that anything happens with the ending and this ending would happen from this movie or what they’re really doing for the high stakes of it. You wouldn’t even think that. You just know that something’s aloof and they’re trying to orchestrate these kids’ deaths for some reason, but you’re not sure why. So I love how it keeps on just showing that as it goes along,

Laci (01:32:35):

It’s kind of theme parky, right? They don’t want you to go past a certain, it’s like Jurassic Park. All of this is made to look like the thing it’s supposed to look like, but there are boundaries and we don’t want you to go past what we don’t want you to go past. You’re doing it wrong. You keep your hands and head inside the fucking ride.

Matt (01:32:53):

Get your arm taken off on Space Mountain.

Laci (01:32:55):

Right? The cleanup on that. Fuck. So I did know he was going to cry. I mean, that’s what I expected. What I didn’t expect is the angle because you see him from behind and then they show you from the side and his body just fucking, he comes off just crumbles into it, just like the wrong position. He’s dead instantly. And then just,

Matt (01:33:14):

It’s such a good visual touch that it lights up every time he hits it, every time he hits it. And so he keeps hitting it on his way down.

Laci (01:33:19):

Great,

Matt (01:33:21):

Great VFX right there. And Dana at this point is like, oh fuck. Marty is right. We are puppets. We have no agency. We have no free will. We are at the whim of whatever forces are out there in the universe, just like the real world guys. But Holden

Laci (01:33:38):

Holden

Matt (01:33:38):

Is like, no, no, we

Laci (01:33:39):

Can do do it. He’s got to be the guy. Oh, stay with me, Jules, don’t you go stay with me, Dana, don’t you go getting crazy?

Matt (01:33:46):

Yeah. He’s like, we’ll drive. And she’s like, no, something will stop us. The RV will break down. He, he’s like, well, then we’ll get on foot and we’ll keep walking until we can’t walk anymore. And she’s like, whatever you say, bud. And then a zombie just stabs him through the neck, gets rid of him,

Cinematic Joshua (01:33:59):

And she goes in the world. They did a heroic moment twice there. It kind of takes away from, it’s not as impactful because we just had it with Chris Heworth character, but now we get it from this guy and it’s still pretty cool. They’re probably all going to get taken in one by one, but you don’t know how. So it’s still surprising.

Laci (01:34:14):

I love when it’s faster than you think, though. I love when you think that, oh, these two, they’re going to last till the end in love and they’re so cute.

Matt (01:34:21):

But he sucks. He’s boring. I

Laci (01:34:22):

Disagree. But then when he gets the bear cloth thing in the back, and I’m like, no way. I didn’t expect that. Then he’s back. And because he comes back, it’s like, oh, good. He’s not going to be the one that dies. Even though he did that horrific hanging from the ceiling thing for a minute, it’s like, oh no, he died. Save him just to kill him again.

Matt (01:34:42):

And so the crash into the lake and she escapes the lake as the people back at headquarters are celebrating because this is a wrap party at the end of production. They’re like, the Virgin’s death is optional as long as it’s last. The Virgin can live or she can die. Movie audiences, they’re fickle, but as long as it seems okay. Yeah,

Laci (01:35:00):

Yeah. She has to go through enough suffering.

Matt (01:35:03):

I’m actually rooting for her. She’s just got, so tequila is my lady, lady. So we’re switching back and forth. And I think the very most impressive thing about the movie is that it can keep you invested in the main horror plot. It serves as effective horror while constantly switching back between these perspectives. And you’re enjoying both of them simultaneously on two separate

Laci (01:35:28):

Tracks. It’s like if you could make the evil doers and squid games be really likable, it’s like we’re switching back and forth between the people playing the game and the people controlling the game, but we’re enjoying each of them, and I get why they’re doing what they’re doing. And I understand how you can end up in a system like that and how do people become a Nazi? It just fucking becomes your job one fucking day, I

Matt (01:35:52):

Think. But especially because they have their own very distinct tones, but they still feel like they belong in the same movie, especially for a guy who’d never directed before.

Laci (01:36:01):

It’s very impressive. You’re clearly rooting for one side over the other one. But just to be able to see the humanity and get as much, it’s nice when the bad guy’s not like the bad guy.

Matt (01:36:12):

I never root for anyone in movies.

Laci (01:36:14):

Oh, well that’s You’re an idiot heartless piece of shit.

Matt (01:36:16):

I know. I know. I think because I know I’m unusual.

Laci (01:36:19):

No, it’s just like you in football. You’re like, I don’t care who wins. I just won good game.

Matt (01:36:22):

That’s not true. I’m not Rob Lowe.

Laci (01:36:23):

I’m sorry. I’m sorry. I’m sorry. Tell me what this sounds like. I don’t care who wins. I just wanted to be a good game. I don’t care who dies. I just want it to be a good movie. How is that any fucking different?

Matt (01:36:33):

Well, one’s fiction one’s a fictional thing. Well, no, they’re the same thing. If I’m sitting down to watch the Super Bowl, who do you want to win? And I say, I just want it to be a good game. That is, I want this to be interesting for as long as possible.

Cinematic Joshua (01:36:46):

You don’t root for the victims or the final girl. And usually in the movies you don’t want them to

Matt (01:36:51):

See. It’s the same thing. All right. I admit it. No, I don’t think I do. Other people do. I’m just, I don’t think I

Laci (01:36:58):

Like other people cut.

Cinematic Joshua (01:37:01):

I have a problem with sometimes when there’s, they’re all bad guys. They’re all thieves or whatever, and they’re just like,

Laci (01:37:06):

No one to root for

Cinematic Joshua (01:37:07):

A movie called Play Dirty just came out recently with Mark Wahlberg. They’re all bad people, so I don’t really want them to succeed or not. So I don’t mind them. I’m not invested as much in their characters. I don’t really like any of ’em. They’re all kind of unlikable. Those movies are hard to watch sometimes or to enjoy.

Laci (01:37:23):

I always want someone to root for. I

Cinematic Joshua (01:37:25):

Always want decent people to root for if I can.

Laci (01:37:29):

Those movies don’t always land with me either. But then you’ve got movies like The Rock movie,

Matt (01:37:36):

Shit, pain and Gain.

Laci (01:37:37):

Pain and Gain, where it’s like they’re all terrible people, but it’s so enjoyable anyway. You see the well actor,

Cinematic Joshua (01:37:44):

Actor and the writing also can really help those things and try to elevate who you want to root for at least. So I just saw Roof Man, which Roof Man’s a really good movie, which just came out. I won’t spoil, but Tatum is a real life based on real life thief. But you like him. He’s a good guy trying to do things, don’t care things. I care about thief things, but really he is a thief and he’s doing criminal activities. I don’t get mad at a thief. It’s like that thing. Yeah. Well, I mean, who knows who to say did worse or not. I’m not going to give that away. But you still root for him and that’s what you’re supposed to do.

Laci (01:38:17):

They’re criminals. I’m not going to root against Aladdin. He’s a lovable thief. He doesn’t have as much stuff in life. Sometimes you got to take it.

Matt (01:38:24):

So over on the dock, Dana is being attacked by more

Laci (01:38:29):

Zombies in the background. She’s just taken a beaten

Matt (01:38:31):

As over at the wrap party. They’re drinking margaritas and doing karaoke and stuff. But the tech people are like, Richard Jenkins goes up to the tech people’s like, you guys gave me a real fright with that old tunnel thing. And they’re like, dude, it’s not our fault. We got a call that came from upstairs about, so what is the deal with this? They got a call about not blowing up the tunnel.

Laci (01:38:50):

They didn’t get a call. They got

Cinematic Joshua (01:38:52):

Interference. Not they said they didn’t get a call. They never got the order to blow up the tunnel, which that just shows again, they’re kind not great at their job sometimes or things will escape them. Which is strange because you think that the tunnel would be exploded at some

Laci (01:39:08):

Point. You would know when to do that. But I think the tunnel blows when it needs to blow. It’s just that Marty, not Marty. Yeah, Marty had disconnected the mechanism for that to report downstairs. He is the reason it didn’t blow I,

Cinematic Joshua (01:39:25):

Oh, I don’t know. I don’t assure you he didn’t disconnect anything except for the cameras or pulled the cameras out. He didn’t. He saw away himself.

Laci (01:39:34):

Yes, because as soon as they say upstairs, what? Upstairs, that’s when they cut to Marty going to get her and showing that he discovered like that one area of underneath and all the wires are all fucked up. So whoever usually triggers that or can send a signal down, he made it to where that doesn’t happen. That’s why upstairs interfered with it. I’m right.

Matt (01:39:56):

I agreed with everything until you said that last thing. You don’t have to rub it in, but I guess it is just staged in a confusing way because then the phone rings. So it’s like, oh, we’re getting a call from upstairs is what they’re making. It seem like

Laci (01:40:11):

They get a call from downstairs.

Matt (01:40:13):

I know, but they said the call came from upstairs, then the phone rings. You put these things together so then they answer, shut the fuck up everybody. And they talk on the phone. Oh God, someone’s still alive. Who is it? Oh, it’s the stoner. The stoner never gets to leave. But now he’s a hero. He’s turning his bong into a weapon. It rules.

Cinematic Joshua (01:40:29):

So who is on that line? Is it the director, the phone

Matt (01:40:33):

Director? Sagourney Weaver. Yeah.

Cinematic Joshua (01:40:34):

So how does she know that he’s still alive?

Matt (01:40:37):

Weaver used her director

Cinematic Joshua (01:40:38):

In,

Matt (01:40:39):

She knows

Cinematic Joshua (01:40:40):

All, she must see some cameras in some areas that they don’t happen to have

Laci (01:40:43):

Or something. She’s not partying. She’s the last line of defense. She’s got to really make sure it all and see, sometimes things do slip because you get the sense from the two guys in the control room. Even though they’re great at their job, they’re not in charge because they’re constantly talking about the upstairs, the downstairs,

Cinematic Joshua (01:41:00):

Their middle management. It’s more corporate, just laziness. You think that the demolition team would know that they need to blow this before they’re moving around, but maybe they’re not that maybe they’re not watching enough as they’re waiting for. They’re just waiting for it to be told. But really they should, if they good their job, they should really have a foresight to think that, oh, maybe they’re getting away. We need to get this done before that, I don’t know. They’re not really on the ball about

Laci (01:41:24):

That, honestly. Once they’re

Cinematic Joshua (01:41:25):

Passing the box, that kind of thing.

Laci (01:41:27):

Yeah, it does seem strange because it’s like that’s your whole demolition. There’s four of you for some reason or three,

Cinematic Joshua (01:41:34):

That’s your whole job for this. Just

Laci (01:41:35):

Blowing up one fucking thing. And also once the teens and once the people get to the cabin, then just blow it. They’re not supposed to come back. Why would you even wait?

Cinematic Joshua (01:41:44):

It’s weird that

Laci (01:41:45):

Unless they can hear it, so they need to be like, maybe they need to get the call from Kim, that Kim meaning chemical, that they’re sufficiently fucked up enough. They will not hear it if you blow it now because not that far away. So I guess you could hear, I don’t fucking know.

Matt (01:42:02):

I love anything. When somebody discovers his entrance to a secret world,

Laci (01:42:06):

I love that so

Matt (01:42:07):

Much. In a place you wouldn’t expect to, Hey, look, in this grave there’s a trap door that’ll take us down to hell. Oh, great, let’s go. Go see

Laci (01:42:15):

A trap door to the hell that is corporate America.

Matt (01:42:19):

He explains this elevator. He is like, I don’t know where it’ll take us, but I know that up there, there’s nothing for us up there, so let’s just go down. And so they go down and they start to see all of the horrors of this world. A wolf man, a ballerina with a fucking goblin face or whatever.

Laci (01:42:35):

No teeth. Just tons of teeth.

Matt (01:42:37):

Tons of teeth,

Laci (01:42:38):

Too many.

Matt (01:42:38):

And we see some centa bytes. We see this Pinhead guy.

Laci (01:42:43):

He seems nice.

Matt (01:42:45):

Well, that’s the thing about Pinhead. He’s not neither good nor bad. You invited him by solving the configuration and he wants to show you such wonderful sites. Oh, it’s just that those sites are like, your skin’s going to get ripped off and your nipples are, it’s your nipples are going to get taken off. And

Laci (01:43:02):

Why does he think I want that?

Matt (01:43:04):

Because you’re an explorer of hidden pleasures and pains of the world. You’ve experienced everything that Earth has to offer. And so now all that is left is to explore the other realms.

Laci (01:43:13):

That’s nice. Instead of going the Jeffrey Epstein route, I’m bored. I have a lot of money torture children. That is nice.

Matt (01:43:20):

It is nice. No, he’s kind of an anti-hero.

Laci (01:43:23):

I like him.

Matt (01:43:25):

This guy, the Wiki says his name is Forus. The Lord of bondage and pain.

Laci (01:43:30):

Stop it.

Matt (01:43:31):

Doug Bradley, who plays Pinhead probably would’ve done the movie. He’ll do your thing.

Laci (01:43:35):

Just call him.

Matt (01:43:35):

Yeah. But he’s also holding the circular lament configuration thing. And this is when Dana realizes they made us choose. They made us choose how we die. The control room’s freaking out because Dana still No, because Marty is still alive. Dana live, but Marty cannot got to take him out while all of these super incompetent people at their job fail to do so, security guard’s about to shoot him and then gets attacked by a zombie.

Laci (01:44:00):

The whole world failed to be fair.

Matt (01:44:02):

Well, no, this is my theory.

Laci (01:44:04):

Whole world.

Matt (01:44:05):

Yeah. My theory about the actual world we live in is everyone is bad at their jobs. And

Laci (01:44:09):

We don’t, everyone. We don, it might be a Monday, you don’t know when it’s going to land. It’s like, oh, Monday.

Matt (01:44:14):

They say it’s the weekend. But everyone is terrible at their jobs. The only people who are good, the only person who’s good at his job is Sly Sullenberger, the pilot for doing what he did. And also those flight attendants on the plane with him. Everyone else terrible

Laci (01:44:28):

At their drops down. Stay down,

Matt (01:44:29):

Head down, stay down. Laci, you remembered. Oh

Laci (01:44:32):

Yeah. Because it meant so much to you. You fucking tear up every time we talk about it.

Matt (01:44:36):

Not this time.

Laci (01:44:37):

Okay. You’re going to be,

Matt (01:44:40):

We hear Sigourney Weaver’s voice now over the loudspeaker

Laci (01:44:43):

Because it is a rule if you’re in a horror movie and this time you need to have a cameo for Sigourney Weaver.

Matt (01:44:47):

And her voice is in a Finding Dory. So I always forget that she’s in this movie. I hear her voice. I’m like, that’s Sigourney Weaver. It must just be her voice. She’s not going to slum it so much to, oh no, she’s on screen. Slumming it. This should have gone down differently. What’s happening to you as part of something bigger, something older than anything known. You’ve seen horrible things. They’re nothing compared to what came before and what lies below You got to die. Kids, sorry. And they’re like, well, fuck that. They end up behind a security desk with the Unleash all the Monsters button, and they’re like, do we press it? Yeah, let’s press it. Press all the monsters. Come out. We get a Pennywise the Clown. We get a unicorn. That impales a guy with his horn

Cinematic Joshua (01:45:32):

That. This is an amazing scene. One of the best scenes in cinema history, I think. Especially horror. And it’s one to rewatch multiple times when those elevator doors open. There’s a dozen, dozen monsters, big. They’re all doing their own thing, killing a different soldier. And they all shot that in different plates. And it’s really, there’s some great making up on the DVDs.

Laci (01:45:54):

Oh, cool.

Cinematic Joshua (01:45:55):

Or the blue ray, DVD. Yeah, it’s awesome. I love how they have, they created at least 60 monsters or so, and they have a bunch of this in this scene in the last few scenes of the movie as well.

Laci (01:46:07):

And it is interesting that the monsters don’t turn on each other. You’d think something that’s there to

Cinematic Joshua (01:46:11):

Kill

Laci (01:46:11):

Would just kill whatever. But they all just target a human.

Cinematic Joshua (01:46:14):

I think it’s like this unspoken thing with the monsters that they have to destroy humans first. Yeah. Maybe there’s some kind of spell, I don’t know, really. They don’t go into it. There’s a lot of things that get hypothesized about this world, and that’s one of ’em right

Laci (01:46:28):

There. I think it’s easy. I think they live in clear boxes and they’re treated like caged animals, what they are. And they see these fucking assholes all the time coming up and down the elevator, and they’re like, that’s who I’m killing. As soon as I get out of here, I’m killing that fucking guy.

Cinematic Joshua (01:46:40):

I do wish at some point, maybe when some of the humans were dead, they got some shots of the monsters fighting each other. They did talk about how they love, some of this came from being inspired shirts that say like Unicorn versus werewolf or something. Who would win? That kind of thing. But they don’t do that in this movie, unfortunately. But maybe the spin off.

Laci (01:46:58):

Maybe spin off just all the monsters fighting other, the

Cinematic Joshua (01:47:00):

TV show. Let’s get some monsters fighting on the monsters, please.

Matt (01:47:03):

I’m just, no, I’m so grateful that it’s not, none of this is ip. I mean, we’ll just make our own Pennywise. We’ll make our own Hell raisers. I’m so glad this isn’t Ready Player one where Jack Torrance is coming out of the elevator holding an ax. They’re

Laci (01:47:17):

The big,

Cinematic Joshua (01:47:18):

I’ll be fine with, honestly. But it is cool. They’re kind of original or the kind of spinoffs stuff of actual monsters.

Laci (01:47:23):

They are archetypes. The whole movie’s just about archetypes,

Matt (01:47:27):

Right?

Matt (01:47:29):

The difference between the Simpsons and Family Guy. Simpsons, the Simpsons would do a parody of the Brady Bunch by making up their own Brady Bunch. And then Family Guy was like, we’ll just show the actual Brady Bunch. You know what

Cinematic Joshua (01:47:38):

I’m saying? Yeah. You love the Simpsons. Different forms of parody.

Matt (01:47:41):

So they go into that chamber that I asked what those objects are, and both of you got really mad at me for asking. And then they’re like, look, this is all part of a ritual. They have. All of us. They want to see us punished and then, or why do they want to see us punished? And then Sigourney Weaver comes in for being a young, she’s the director. She’s the director of the movie, guys,

Laci (01:48:03):

Matt. Okay.

Matt (01:48:05):

Every culture, it’s different, but it always requires youth because yeah, everybody will always be mad at the youth. And I can attest to that. I’m fucking furious at the young people with their tiktoks,

Laci (01:48:15):

Their words,

Matt (01:48:16):

And they’re calling me Chopped, shut up.

Laci (01:48:18):

Stop it.

Matt (01:48:19):

Chopped. Oh, that’s a

Laci (01:48:20):

New one. I heard. That’s a brand new word that’s like a week old. And Matt knows it. Why the fuck do you know that?

Cinematic Joshua (01:48:24):

What does that mean? Lanes? It means you ugly.

Laci (01:48:27):

It just means you’re all fucked up. Chopped. Yeah. It just means you’re,

Cinematic Joshua (01:48:31):

I’m fascinated by new slang. I think that’s an exciting thing. Anytime we have new slang,

Laci (01:48:37):

Something just dropped.

Matt (01:48:38):

So we have the archetypes, the whore, she’s corrupted. She dies first. The athlete, the scholar, the fool, the virgin.

Laci (01:48:44):

I’m not

Matt (01:48:44):

A virgin.

Laci (01:48:45):

We work with what we have.

Matt (01:48:47):

And what if you don’t pull this off? Well, then they rise and we hear rumblings beneath the ground. The ancient ones are presumably they’re getting restless. Like, what’s the freaking holdup, man? Come

Laci (01:48:58):

On. Food. Food. We want food. Food.

Matt (01:49:01):

Basically, Marty, you got to die in the next eight minutes or the world is going to end. And we have the thing selfish, the standoff selfish. Dana pulls the gun on Marty. She’s like, well, I don’t want the world to end. He’s like, you’d kill me, Dana. But the fucking wolf man comes in and interrupts things

Cinematic Joshua (01:49:16):

Anyway. Why is it you think that she wouldn’t just openly kill Marty? There’s so much stakes there. They really try to do it with the soldiers. Why wouldn’t she just take upon herself to do that when she knows it’s important? It doesn’t need to be done by the Virgin. It needs to be done by anybody. Right. So why would she? Yeah. Why wouldn’t the director risk this? And eventually that causes the doom of humanity.

Laci (01:49:37):

Yes. It’s really direct and fails

Cinematic Joshua (01:49:38):

Here. Mistake Director

Laci (01:49:39):

Should have had a gun mistake and shot up as soon as she on.

Matt (01:49:43):

Yeah. Why is she talking to them? I don’t

Laci (01:49:44):

Know.

Matt (01:49:45):

Just go in with machine Gun

Laci (01:49:46):

Either. This is a,

Cinematic Joshua (01:49:47):

Aren’t even shooting at them. They’ve been trying to kill ’em the whole time. At least Marty. So why it’s a movie, it seems like its

Matt (01:49:53):

Because everything in this movie is actually in another movie that’s about appeasing a different set of fictional gods, and they’re all like, why is Sigourney Weaver acting like that? Well, we’ve been shooting her with pheromones. She’s not being smart. She normally is. So that’s why she,

Cinematic Joshua (01:50:07):

When Sigourney came up on, I was like, I love Sigourney, obviously as a genre fan, but it was awesome that she did it. And she loved the werewolves, by the way. She was a big fan of that. Maybe that’s why she did it. But yeah, that was one of the main choices they had. Do you know who else? Some of the choices. So the director that they were thinking, that’s

Matt (01:50:23):

Got to be like Glenn Close, Jamie Lee Curtis.

Cinematic Joshua (01:50:26):

Jamie Lee is one of the other ones. But they also thought originally might be a man and they wanted to go with Bruce Campbell.

Matt (01:50:31):

One of Choices is perfect. Yeah,

Cinematic Joshua (01:50:35):

I think Awesome.

Matt (01:50:36):

That’d be great. That’s a little too on the nose. Bruce Campbell.

Cinematic Joshua (01:50:40):

It’s nice to have a woman too. Subversion.

Matt (01:50:42):

It is nice. And Bruce Campbell is just a little too silly. He couldn’t,

Cinematic Joshua (01:50:46):

Okay, I can see that,

Matt (01:50:49):

But I don’t know. Fucking they push her down. They push her down. They choose. We’ll let the world end. Because if this is what it takes for the world to survive, then maybe the world does need to end. And the way that the two actors are playing it, when they sit down and they share a cigarette and she

Laci (01:51:04):

Says That is a joint.

Matt (01:51:05):

Joint. Oh, a joint. Sorry,

Laci (01:51:07):

Fucking square. That’s last joint.

Matt (01:51:09):

She says, I’m sorry, I almost shot you. I don’t think I would’ve. And he’s like, no, it’s okay. It is. Their understanding of reality is so broken that they don’t even know what to do with themselves. It is like movie characters having gained awareness there in a movie that’s going to end. And when the movie’s over, they blip out of existence. They’re like, so do we just, do

Laci (01:51:33):

You want to just be fucking the whole time? What would you do with that time? You just got to kill time.

Matt (01:51:40):

Yes. I’m saying they are acting as if they have so little, everything is so broken that they do not know what to do with anything. And so they’re just kind of sitting there and waiting for the end to come.

Cinematic Joshua (01:51:51):

That’s what I think. Yeah, they accept their fate. What do you think about this ending controversial things? I love it. I think it’s an amazing ambitious ending. I’m never mean, how many movies can you say that actually end humanity? I can’t think of any other ones. So I mean,

Matt (01:52:06):

I want every movie to end like this. I said this on our saw episode. I want every movie to end with a giant hand coming out of the earth and ending. Because every movie, the universe of every movie gets destroyed once the movie’s over. And I like that. I think it should be like Porky Pig saying, that’s it.

Laci (01:52:20):

Rip and then rip the hole in the wall where he came from. Our cartoon world is gone.

Matt (01:52:26):

Even if you get a sequel that’s are not the same people, that’s a different world. That’s its own universe.

Laci (01:52:31):

That doesn’t like universe. You could in their little universes without him.

Matt (01:52:36):

I love this ending. I’ve never forgotten this ending.

Laci (01:52:38):

I love it. I love it. I feel like it’s one of the only movies I can think of that just goes all the way. It

Cinematic Joshua (01:52:43):

Just goes for it. Exactly. You just got to that. I get how it’s a bittersweet, that humanity’s ending. You wish there could be a different way, but this is a horror movie. It’s fine to have a downbeat ending, and this is the ultimate but still fun. And you didn’t see that coming at least before this scene. A few scenes before this probably.

Matt (01:53:03):

And this is the movie Flopping. This is the audience rejecting the movie.

Laci (01:53:08):

Oh, right. Well, I mean, scratch that. But I mean, it is the most humane way for to end. Because even if these two survive and then they know in 365 days, another group of kids are going to be going through this. And it’s just like with the Squid Games. If you survive the Squid games, then you have to make it your personality that you’re seeking out a way to end them. But there’s no way to end this. This is what the Gods need. So you’re living in just a cruel state of existence. So yeah, the most chill thing is to just die, end it. But here,

Matt (01:53:40):

Laci, you said it yourself. What is this movie about? What kind of world do we live in right now? We live in a world where I don’t even need to say anything. Laci just goes, I know man.

Matt (01:53:51):

We live in a world where we’re used to a certain amount of comfort, and that comfort is dependent on exploitation and fevery and people living in terrible conditions in other parts of the world we will never meet. But we can’t change that, so we just got to keep going. That’s what this movie’s about.

Laci (01:54:06):

Okay,

Matt (01:54:07):

I want a giant hand to come in this podcast.

Laci (01:54:10):

Fucking swipe it. I’m going to enlarge my hand so that I can do it.

Matt (01:54:33):

I am going to give this a four out of five stars. I like this movie a lot. I think it’s really well directed. I think our conversation has only elevated my appreciation for it if I have any grievances with it. I think that I don’t find, I’ve never found the idea that horror movie characters are dumb. That’s never appealed to me because it’s a movie. And also in the real world, people are dumb and don’t make good decisions. If a movie was made about my life, they’d be like, why is he doing that? Why is he acting that way? Why did he make that purchase? Why isn’t he saving money? He’s doing all kinds of dumb things. One

Laci (01:55:07):

Needs a rainbow vacuum.

Matt (01:55:09):

And I don’t know, this might’ve opened a giant conversation. I don’t know how much this movie loves horror. It seems kind of made by someone who doesn’t love horror

Laci (01:55:19):

Movies like Scary Movie, right? You can’t totally tell. They’re celebrating.

Cinematic Joshua (01:55:22):

They’re cynical about it. But they’ve mentioned before, it’s a Love and a Hate letter, but mostly love. They’re big horror fans.

Matt (01:55:28):

They say that. I just don’t know that I feel it in the movie.

Laci (01:55:31):

I don’t know that they appreciate what it is in certain people’s hands. I think they want it to be better and they like it at its best.

Matt (01:55:40):

I would like to know, so what’s a great horror then? What is it?

Laci (01:55:43):

The shiny

Cinematic Joshua (01:55:45):

What of their favorite ones? Yeah. Interesting. Well, they had some influences. I can’t think of who they’re right now, but, well, evil Dead was one of the influences and other things like that. But what’s great about this, it’s also not just a horror movie. It’s a sci-fi movie too. And again, that changes the game for what it really, it’s a horror comedy. It’s a sci-fi movie and it’s lot more character development than a lot of other horror movies. So I mean, it’s just, it’s so good.

Laci (01:56:13):

What are you? Well, five stars. I don’t want anything more out of a movie. I mean, give it to me if you’ve got it, but it’s one of my favorite scary movies, which I find it so satisfying and very watchable, and it made me want more of it, and there isn’t more of it. I settled for the Escape Room movies and stuff and Happy Death Day and different things where I was like, okay, I just need comedy in my horror.

Cinematic Joshua (01:56:43):

Those are great. Those

Laci (01:56:45):

Are good, but they’re not as fulfilling.

Matt (01:56:46):

But that’s another thing that’s special about the movie is that’s it. It’s just one movie. There’s no TV show. There’s no spinoffs. There’s no prequels. Not

Cinematic Joshua (01:56:54):

Yet.

Matt (01:56:55):

Not yet. Will it into existence.

Laci (01:56:57):

He’s

Cinematic Joshua (01:56:58):

Going to, Jo, I’m going to write it, I think.

Matt (01:56:59):

Joshua, what do

Cinematic Joshua (01:57:00):

You think? Yeah, so I mean, on letterbox, they only go up to five stars, which I think is, it’s fine. It’s good as a general standard system,

Laci (01:57:10):

It’s standard. Okay, cool.

Cinematic Joshua (01:57:11):

It’s good to standard, but I do have a different rating system. My mind goes to six stars. If it’s really special, it goes to five and a half or six, and this is a six star movie, and I don’t get that out hardly ever. Awesome.

Matt (01:57:20):

This is only the second time on our podcast that you’ve given a movie Six Stars.

Cinematic Joshua (01:57:24):

Well, that’s because he

Matt (01:57:25):

Brings these six

Cinematic Joshua (01:57:25):

Star

Laci (01:57:26):

Movies here, butterfly,

Cinematic Joshua (01:57:27):

Butterfly Effect, and another Load Bearing Beam in my, of course, that was my first podcast, and that is an there six star movie. Again, perfect movie. I have only a handful of perfect movies, and this is just, I love it even more watching it now. I haven’t watched it in years, and it’s so good. I love the layers of it. I love movies with layers and different things you can see, and the commentary is great too, and you learn different things about it also. And so this was made for $30 million that only made 70 worldwide. So not a huge hit, but still people. It’s a cult classic for sure.

Matt (01:57:59):

I mean, yeah, it doubled its budget, and that’s what the standard is, is if you double your budget, you make, then you’re profitable. And then I’m sure it’s just cleaned up on home video and streaming and everything because people love this movie. This movie has a very lasting legacy. So everybody, if you like the movie, check Out Bad Times at the El Royale as well. That’s a really fun movie.

Matt (01:58:22):

With similar vibes. I mean different genre, but an incredible cast. And I would love to just see Drew Goddard make another movie. Just make another movie, drew, just do it. Just

Matt (01:58:31):

Especially I love, it’s just non ip. He just came up with an idea in his head and made a movie out of it. That’s great. Love to see it.

Cinematic Joshua (01:58:39):

So they wrote stuff in the past before they worked together on Buffy and things like that, but they actually locked themselves in the hotel room, and they actually wrote this entire script mostly in about three days, which is unbelievable. They had a couple of passes after that, the Polish here and there, but three days for a script writing all day for three days. That’s amazing. From a germ of idea, they had years to go

Matt (01:59:04):

Because Drew wouldn’t be allowed to leave. Jos wouldn’t let him leave. He’d yell him.

Laci (01:59:09):

Devil’s rejects in there, just where you go, Jack, look at these. There’s my brother. I’m going to fuck him.

Matt (01:59:16):

Joshua, tell everybody about where they can find you online.

Cinematic Joshua (01:59:19):

Yes, please follow me. I have a lot of horror content coming up. I know we’re mid month in October, but they’re coming now and I’ll be unveiling my awesome top 10 horror franchises I’ve seen so far, and also my awesome top 10 horror comedies, original ones. I’ll be doing that soon on cinematic Joshua TikTok, and then great, awesome show on YouTube. I’m planning on doing some live shows, also probably on YouTube. I’ve never done it before, and also maybe TikTok soon. A lot of horror content. I’m horror year round though, so come on by and follow up. Talk to me.

Matt (01:59:57):

We’re recording this October 16th. I do get the mid-December. You get the like, man, Christmas is already

Laci (02:00:04):

Over. I know, I know. That’s how I feel about over right now. That’s how I feel about my birthday.

Cinematic Joshua (02:00:08):

Well, spook season is at least two or three months, I think. So on blocks also at Radar, so I have lists of lots of horror franchises already ranked, and I also have what I’ve been watching, which is close to around 30 or 40 movies or so now ranking in my list of what I’ve watched last two or three months, and I’ll continue doing that all throughout.

Laci (02:00:30):

He’s a walking

Cinematic Joshua (02:00:31):

Listicle,

Laci (02:00:32):

Ladies and gentlemen.

Matt (02:00:32):

Check it out. People in the description links to cinematic Joshua on

Cinematic Joshua (02:00:36):

TikTok,

Matt (02:00:37):

Instagram, YouTube. As for us next week on the program,

Laci (02:00:42):

A load-bearing beam of mine,

Matt (02:00:44):

We are revisiting one of our earliest episodes about Stephen King’s it, the 1990 TV movie.

Laci (02:00:50):

Spoiler Alerted Rocks

Matt (02:00:51):

Celebrating the forthcoming release of the HBO Max Series. It. Welcome to Dairy.

Matt (02:00:59):

For totally did not plan that happen. It works so good though.

Cinematic Joshua (02:01:04):

Yeah,

Matt (02:01:05):

It does. Yeah,

Cinematic Joshua (02:01:05):

It comes out, the show comes, starts airing a few days before that, so people will still be into it. I don’t think it’ll be all the way done either. I think it’s probably a week to weeks thing.

Matt (02:01:13):

It premieres on the 24th.

Laci (02:01:15):

Think they’re going to make a third type of

Matt (02:01:18):

Think it’s week

Laci (02:01:18):

To week wise, or do you think they’re going to honor the ridge?

Matt (02:01:21):

No, this is in the universe of the recent movies. The director, the director of those movies is the showrunner. They have Bill Scars guard back.

Laci (02:01:29):

Oh, come on. He is great. He’s great, but he’s not. They fixed what wasn’t broken. Tim Curry’s alive, I think, right? Tim Curry’s alive. He’s

Cinematic Joshua (02:01:38):

Alive. He doesn’t act anymore than I think he can. He just needs the opportunity. It’s one of those, it’s nice to have both of ’em. No,

Matt (02:01:49):

It is one of those things. It is a bummer to know that, oh, the new Pennywise is so much more iconic than the original Pennywise. I don’t

Matt (02:01:57):

Well, I mean in objective terms: So many more people have seen those movies than have seen this, again, TV movie starring John Ritter from 1990.

Laci (02:02:06):

Who rocks.

Matt (02:02:08):

Dick Holleran is one of the main characters of the new series. From The Shining

Laci (02:02:12):

Rename me that. I want my dick hollerin’.

Matt (02:02:16):

Because of course, he’s a character in Stephen King’s. I’m rereading it. I’ve now read it. It’ll be, this is the fourth time I’ve read it. I love Stephen King. It’s the Stephen King book I’m most conflicted about. I love parts of it. I hate parts of

Laci (02:02:29):

It. It’s very odd. Some choices are very not great.

Matt (02:02:34):

The child orgy, I’m fine with honestly a georgi. There’s a lot of other Georgie. It’s

Cinematic Joshua (02:02:39):

Georgie. That’s what everyone has problems with.

Matt (02:02:42):

Well, I don’t love it. No, it’s just Stephen King’s just boomy like, oh, I was a kid with my bicycle and my rock and roll. I’m just like, all right, man. But yeah, that episode’s coming out, so check out our Patreon as well. We have episodes about Nickelodeon’s, Doug, mul Holland Drive. I’m sure there’ll be plenty of other stuff on the Patreon that we haven’t planned yet. And Load-Bearing Beam’s. Collector’s Edition is our Patreon subscribed for $5 a month to get P two.

Laci (02:03:07):

It’s a fucking deal. It’s a P two deal.

Matt (02:03:09):

Go get it. Bonus episodes per month. Go get it everybody

Laci (02:03:12):

And get that. Tell a friend about our show. Collect us all.

Matt (02:03:16):

Leave us a review on iTunes. Follow us everywhere. Follow me, Matt Stokes nine on Letterbox. Laci Load Bearing Laci on Letterbox. Follow my band. Roll Route nine on Spotify. Apple Music. Wherever you get your music, we do the music for load bearing beams, including them is song you’re hearing right now. I think everybody, I love you. Goodbye. Oh, shit. That’s Laci’s line. You piece of shit.

Cinematic Joshua (02:03:33):

Thank you, everyone!

Laci (02:03:34):

Okay. I love you. Goodbye.