Matt (00:00:22):

This is 1-Week Rental: A Movie Podcast! Where we spend a week with a movie and we take you along with you on our journey. I am Matt Stokes. I am a recovering film snob trying not to be so obnoxious, failing at that. I love the Friday the 13th movies as much as I love the films of Ingmar Bergman. I’m learning. I’m becoming slowly less obnoxious.

Laci (00:00:41):

And I’m Laci Roth, a nostalgiaholic blossoming into a synagogue to my delight and against my will.

Matt (00:00:49):

Each week we dive deep into a different movie. We watch it multiple times. We read interviews with the cast and crew. We put in the research.

Laci (00:00:56):

Then we discuss the movie and talk about what works and doesn’t work. We do some irresponsible psychoanalysis of the characters and the people who made the movie.

Matt (00:01:04):

We assume if you’re listening to this, you don’t mind the movie being spoiled for you because you’ve seen it or you just don’t care. We are going to spoil the shit out of everything we talk about on this show, including Cabin in the Woods today.

Laci (00:01:15):

Everything we say comes from a place of loving movies. We are celebrating them and even when we don’t like a movie, we never regret watching it. We certainly are not capable of making a movie.

Matt (00:01:26):

That being said, we know we can be a little rude. We could be a little obnoxious. We can be foul and that’s okay. We know that we’re an acquired taste. We’re not for everybody and we are definitely not experts. If we criticize a movie or if we get a fact wrong, tell us about it. Tell us why we’re wrong. Tell us how full of shit we are.

Laci (00:01:44):

So the comments are four. Give it up.

Matt (00:01:46):

Yes. And we’re wrong all the time. We do not mind hearing about it, even though we try our best, but we are just here to have fun talking about movies.

Laci (00:01:55):

We have no aspirations of working in Hollywood or ever making a movie. So be assured that we are 100% honest with everything we say.

Matt (00:02:03):

And one more thing, Laci and I, we are married to each other.

Laci (00:02:07):

So all inappropriate shit we say to each other has been pre-consented too.

Matt (00:02:11):

So we’re joined for our discussion about Cabin in the Woods, the 2012 horror comedy from Drew Goddard and Joss Whedon. We’re joined by our friend cinematic Joshua returning to the show. We’re going to talk about the history of Cabin in the Woods and then have a discussion about the entire movie. Look in the description for timestamps and skip to the parts that interest you. Guys, where do you imagine this story begins? Is it Hollywood, California in the ’90s? No, we’re going to start in Rhode Island, in Providence, Rhode Island with a very sickly and frail weirdo named Howard Phillips Lovecraft.

Laci (00:03:11):

Fun name though.

Matt (00:03:12):

In 1926, wrote The Call of Cotulu, introducing the world to his most famous character. Catulu, the cosmic emptity, the great old one, worshiped by evil cultist whose physical reform resembles an octopus and a dragon. Catulu, the mountainous monstrosity who has lived for vigintillions of years. The rest of us live in a membrane, thin membrane of pond scum and the great old ones, they exist outside of normal space and time. Yeah, Lovecraft invented this whole genre of cosmic horror that this movie that Cabin in the Woods is playing so much in of … Yeah, we are bugs in the universe compared to these giant beings who are basically indifferent to us and we must appease them by making blood sacrifices to them. So I think that that is the starting point for Cabin in the Woods is first, let’s go back to Lovecraft who’s like the most influential horror writer of the 20th century and then we’ll build from there.

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We’ll use that as our foundation and then kind of put sort of modern horror movies on top of it.

Laci (00:04:16):

It’s like baked potatoes. You start with baked potato, you’re not going to go wrong. Start just adding whatever you want on top. You got yourself a good baked potato.

Matt (00:04:24):

Exactly. I love it. I

Laci (00:04:25):

Think I’ve made my point. All

Matt (00:04:27):

Right. So Drew Goddard and Josh Weeden decide, yeah, let’s do that. Let’s make a movie. I know just the studio to do it. MGM. So once upon a time, the sentence you’re making a movie for MGM, that meant you would reach the height of Hollywood. The biggest and grandest, most successful of the movie studio is Metro Goldwyn Meyer. The name itself connotes the magic of the movies.

Laci (00:04:46):

The golden screen.

Matt (00:04:47):

But if you’re making a movie for MGM in 2009, the sentence you’re making a movie for MGM should make your heart shutter.

Laci (00:04:53):

The tiny little line all emaciated.

Matt (00:04:58):

They filmed this movie in early 2009. The very next year, MGM’s like, “We don’t have any money to put it out.

Laci (00:05:03):

Sorry.” Oh, sorry guys.

Matt (00:05:05):

We don’t have the money to literally send the Dropbox link to the movie theaters.

Laci (00:05:08):

Would you front us some money and maybe Venmo and then we’ll put your movie out?

Joshua (00:05:14):

I must be so crushing, trying to get the movie out. It’s like you’re done with it. You’re so excited for it and you have to just wait for it and it’s not like you could do anything about it. They were saying how James Bond movies and other things like that, like big franchise were also on hold because of they went bankrupt or they had issues or something. So

Matt (00:05:31):

Yeah, that’s got to be freshman as a

Joshua (00:05:32):

Filmmaker.

Matt (00:05:33):

They declared bankruptcy in 2010. There were four years between James Bond movies. They had to sell a lot of their movies, but that’s why this movie shoots in 2009 and then it comes out in 2012, like a few weeks before The Avengers comes out that is directed by Josh Whedon and stars Chris Hemsworth. And then this movie comes out and you’re like, “Why is Chris Hemsworth like the fifth guy in this movie?”

Laci (00:05:54):

Yeah, it sucks too because fashion change is so fast and these are supposed to be very cool teens. And so their clothes look dated already. The ideas are really fresh. It’s kind of like who’s going to get to the press first when you’ve got a hot story. When you’re doing something new and different, just sitting on it and hoping nobody talks about the themes and ideas and that’s spreading to some other new project that can get out first. Fuck that. What a horrible, anxious two years. Right.

Matt (00:06:21):

If scary movie had come out like seven years after scream.

Laci (00:06:26):

Scary movie.

Matt (00:06:28):

The movie, scary movie?

Laci (00:06:30):

Right. About scream.

Matt (00:06:32):

Yeah. So if they’d shot it right after scream, but then it comes out like seven years later and people are like, “You’re

Laci (00:06:37):

Making

Matt (00:06:37):

Jokes about scream.

Laci (00:06:39):

What

Matt (00:06:39):

Are you doing?”

Laci (00:06:39):

The OG, what are you talking about? Right. Got you. Okay. Oh, you know what? I dyed my hair blonde and then black again and I think I’m getting kind of dumb.

Matt (00:06:49):

So Drew Goddard, his career was nursed in the bosom of two men who I call the twin Satans of Hollywood. Joss Whedon and JJ Abrams.

Laci (00:06:59):

Jaw Sweden.

Joshua (00:07:01):

JJ too.

Matt (00:07:02):

JJ too. The two men who have ruined my life. Oh

Laci (00:07:05):

My God. Matt does not like quips and quirky reprote. He wants everyone to be real awkward. Normal. Normal style. He goes.

Matt (00:07:14):

So let’s get to Joss Whedon first.

Laci (00:07:16):

Oh, Jas. Not what I expected.

Matt (00:07:17):

Writes the screenplay for the movie Buffy the Vampire Slayer, which comes out in 1992. The

Laci (00:07:21):

Movie?

Matt (00:07:22):

Not happy with it. We did an episode about this movie a billion years ago. I love

Joshua (00:07:26):

That movie.

Matt (00:07:27):

I was thinking it’d be fun to revisit that. I will ask. Maybe we do that for another episode.

Joshua (00:07:31):

I want to re-watch that. I just found out with the research that he wrote the original movie. I didn’t know that. I thought you just did the TV show. Yeah,

Matt (00:07:37):

Because he was very unhappy with the movie.

Laci (00:07:39):

See, and I love the fricking movie so much.

Matt (00:07:43):

Yeah, that was always the thing with Laci is like, “Oh no, I hate the TV show. I resent the TV

Laci (00:07:47):

Show for … ” It’s just like Cheese Nips and Cheese Its. You cannot be a both. You must pick one and it is Buffy the Vampire Slayer, the movie and Cheese Nips, which I know are no longer made and that makes me on the wrong side

Matt (00:07:59):

Of it. Cheese nips are no longer made.

Laci (00:08:00):

They don’t make them. They haven’t made them for years.

Matt (00:08:01):

Oh my God. We’re

Laci (00:08:02):

On the wrong side of history, Matt.

Matt (00:08:04):

Jesus.

Joshua (00:08:05):

Are they also square? I don’t even know what that is.

Laci (00:08:07):

They’re identical. Only one actually tasted good and then the other one was a Cheese It.

Matt (00:08:11):

No, cheese. No, that’s insane. Cheese nips are

Laci (00:08:14):

Gross. They taste like actual cheese. They were amazing and delectable and left a litle film on your hands because there was substance there. Cheese nips are glossy plastic 3D printed pieces of shit.

Matt (00:08:28):

Joss Whedon then was able to adapt Buffy into a TV show that he had full creative control of and then the Jossweden Empire begins. He does the spinoff TV show Angel and a young Drew Goddard joined the writing staff of both of these guys, began his long collaboration. So Drew Goddard then joins the other great Satan, JJ Abrams, enters the extended bad robot universe. Come on. Writes for Alias and Lost. He writes the script for Cloverfield, which JJ Abrams produces. And then he rejoins with Joss Whedon to do Cabin in the Woods.

Laci (00:09:00):

We are Lost Lovers. I know that’s your favorite series ever, right?

Joshua (00:09:05):

Yes, absolutely.

Laci (00:09:06):

So just so you know, we are lost lovers.

Joshua (00:09:08):

And he wrote several episodes. And the first time I ever heard about him though was when he wrote Clover Phil, which I also love, the original Clover Field. But he’d done several loss episodes throughout several seasons. Goddard,

Matt (00:09:18):

Not Abrams. Got

Joshua (00:09:20):

It.

Matt (00:09:20):

JJ Abrams involvement with Lost Ended after the first episode.

Joshua (00:09:25):

He developed it and co-created the show.

Matt (00:09:28):

And directed the pilot and then he left.

Laci (00:09:30):

Is Cloverfield a found footage movie? Yeah,

Matt (00:09:32):

It is. With

Laci (00:09:32):

John Goodman? No.

Matt (00:09:33):

It’s the

Joshua (00:09:33):

Best one.

Matt (00:09:34):

John Goodman is in the sequel with Cloverfield, 10 Cloverfield Lane. Okay,

Laci (00:09:39):

So I’m not crazy.

Matt (00:09:39):

What’s a good

Laci (00:09:40):

Movie? Okay.

Matt (00:09:41):

You’re not crazy.

Laci (00:09:42):

I’m not crazy.

Matt (00:09:43):

At least not for that reason.

Laci (00:09:44):

Oh, you got to be to work here. It helps or whatever.

Matt (00:09:49):

Here’s what Josh Whedon said as Captain of the Woods was coming out. He told this to Total Film in 2012. “It’s basically a very loving hate letter. It’s a serious critique of what we love and what we don’t about horror movies. The things that I don’t like are kids acting like idiots. The devolution of the horror movie into torture porn and into a long series of sadistic comeuppances. Drew and I both felt that the pendulum had swung a little too far in that direction.

Laci (00:10:17):

“I’m with him, with the torture porn aspect. It started to become this thing of how can I one up the last most grotesque violent thing and how much can you take? How many people can I get to leave the theater? And it’s like let us stay in the theater. Let us get our money’s worth and not have fucking nightmares. A nightmare for something that fucks with me psychically like heredity, I’ll allow it. But something that just is a visual I can’t get out of my head, that’s mean.

Matt (00:10:54):

We did saw last week, which is nice timing. I didn’t realize that sort of Cabinet Woods is responding to the movement that Saw started.

Laci (00:11:02):

It started, right. But it saw the OG. It’s actually pretty lighthanded. And in my memory, it’s why hostile exists. It’s why all the things where I’m like, ” Should I try to fucking see this or maybe do I want to have a life afterward?

Matt (00:11:18):

“It’s always the case. It’s like the first movie that starts it, you realize like, ” Oh, there’s not that much gore

Laci (00:11:23):

In it.

Matt (00:11:23):

“Saul One is very disgusting, but there’s very little like-

Laci (00:11:26):

And it’s film grotesquely. It’s like if Rin and Stimpy were a movie. It

Matt (00:11:31):

Is like a Red

Laci (00:11:32):

And Stimpy movie. It zooms in and it’s sweaty and it’s like the bumps on skin. It’s so graphic and in a human way, not in a, let’s see what your insides look like and then let’s jump on

Matt (00:11:44):

Them. But I even watched Hostel for the first time this week.

Laci (00:11:50):

I wanted to revisit that. In my head it

Matt (00:11:53):

Was fucking crazy. Same thing. It is all in suggestion because I had seen Hostel two. I saw Hostile two in theaters. I remember actually having a good time because it is just like … I mean, I think that one probably … But hey, maybe I’ll revisit it and be like, ” There’s way less gruesome shit in it than I remembered. “Maybe

Laci (00:12:08):

Because the templates. The templates are what sticks with you and then any people who don’t want to get pigeon-toed. Pigeonholed. Pigeonholed. They smartly decide not to do the second one, but the first one’s good because it had all of the idea and concept and then the horror were these cherries on top. They weren’t the point. When you just got this nugget of an idea and the person is up liking cherries and that’s what’s remembered for, the next time you just get a cup of fucking cherries and that’s

Matt (00:12:44):

Disgusting.What do you think about this era of horror movies, Joshua, like the saw movies, the hostel movies?

Joshua (00:12:49):

Yeah, I like some of them. I love The Soft Franchise, one of my favorite franchises actually. And the original saw is one of the best ones for sure. But what I love about that series, it’s not just like the terror fire series, which I think is just for Gore. That’s the point of it, the shocking, the disturbing part of it. I don’t like disturbing horrors. So even though Saw has some of that torture porn in there, the story and the editing and the characters and the twists are so much more a point of the movie for me and the whole franchise. So I like some of that stuff. I haven’t watched much of the hostile ones. Again, I don’t like torture for the sake of it.

Matt (00:13:22):

I was looking at like, I mean, just looking at the top grossing horror movies for every year leading up to producing Cabin in the Woods, and yeah, it was Saw Two, Saw three, Saw four, Saw Five. I guess this is not a great era of horror in general.

Joshua (00:13:37):

Yeah. A lot of sequels and reboots and stuff. Some of these I haven’t been seen, but some I have.

Matt (00:13:42):

Yeah. I didn’t even know there was a remake of Prom Night.

Laci (00:13:44):

Prom Night even sounds like the one that was probably like, “Yep, we’re making a movie.” The eye mirrors. So many of these did not withstand the test of time.

Matt (00:13:53):

And I think things improved in the 2010s. What was it though? I mean, like Insidious and The Conjuring and I guess the rise of Blumhouse.

Laci (00:14:00):

True story. They started to base it on people, like the real horror of the two people who the insidious movies are about. Do I mean insidious? The

Matt (00:14:09):

Conjur.

Laci (00:14:09):

I mean the conjuring movie. Oh, those two

Matt (00:14:10):

Frauds who made up everything?

Laci (00:14:13):

Yes. It’s not realistic. Those two people. And the fact that he was actually an insanely abusive husband that forced the wife into these cons and actually he was the horror. He was the person that was actually torturing her behind the scenes and they led this crazy life together where she was never actually able to act like herself or do what she wanted to do. And that is so interesting and that is where good horror comes from is the kind of abuses we all suffer and that because big feelings are so hard to express that you need to make them so much bigger to explain why you feel like you do. I feel haunted. My dad abuses me. I feel like a ghost is beating me up in my sleep. And that’s why those movies just like there was a lot of there there because that couple did go on a lot of fake adventures.

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But with each adventure, there was a traumatized family to exploit, to take what they already are experiencing and turn it into something supernatural because that’s what they want to believe. Not that they want to believe that I married a man who doesn’t actually love my children. He’s an alcoholic and he’s being mean to my children.

Matt (00:15:22):

Why do you think torture was so popular though for that few years that it was?

Laci (00:15:27):

Because it was new, right?

Joshua (00:15:31):

It was low budget. It was shocking. It was enticing. So we saw being the first big, one of the bigger hits of that genre kicked off some other ones to imitate and copy and to try their own mark about how to make it disturbing and creepy. I mean, horror is always trying to do that. So this is a way to do it that gets under a lot of people’s skin. Being tortured, getting mangled or dismembered or disfigured is like, I don’t like seeing that on screen. So some people do and it’s definitely something that you remember. It’s

Laci (00:16:01):

Memorable.

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It became like a sort of strength test. It’s something that every teenage boy is going to go to see more than once and try to bring a girl and like show how much they can take it and the girl can’t. And the girl’s like, “Ah.” And it just became this like … Because Faces of Death was also popular during this time and having this thing on the internet that you want to see if someone can freak out too or just access to these insane kinks and violence that is captured on film. It just was like it was new even though it had been happening behind closed doors forever, but this access to it was new. And so to start making movies about it where you control it and it’s fake, it’s kind of nice to know it’s fake.

Matt (00:16:45):

I remember you got to watch, you got to go to ebalmsworld.com and watch the video of the fucking rabbit getting run over by a race car, man. I think nine eleven had happened. We had blood lust. We wanted to see punishment. We were starting wars all over the world. It’s a time to really embrace our reptilian.

Joshua (00:17:05):

That could be part of that. You

Laci (00:17:05):

Can look at it like that, but I think that Blood Lust was forced upon us. War came to our fucking earth, our part of the earth where we actually notice when things are happening. And so to like choose to see it, to seek it and to know it’s fake or to go, “I’m going to go on this website and see two girls with one cup because I want to see poop.” It’s like a way of controlling it. A

Matt (00:17:30):

Response to-

Laci (00:17:31):

But not because we’ve made it, but because we want to think we have some kind of power over it to desensitize ourselves in case it happens again. In case poop goes into our mouths, Matt, we want to know we were prepared.

Matt (00:17:44):

I agree.

Laci (00:17:45):

Good.

Matt (00:17:46):

So the movie gets shot in 2009, keeps getting delayed and then MGM declares bankruptcy in the middle of it. The movie is delayed indefinitely and then eventually gets sold to Lionsgate. They both Goddard and Weed and both talk about it was actually very good. I think that because they were both very comfortable in their careers, they were in a place where it’s like, we can just wait, we can wait. The movie, now it would just get dumped onto a streamer, but back then that wasn’t an option. And so it’s like, let’s wait till we find somebody who really believes in this is going to get behind it and give it the marketing push that it needs. So it finally comes out in 2012, just a few weeks before The Avengers comes out, which is literally written and directed by Joss Weed and-

Laci (00:18:29):

Before we were sick of it.

Matt (00:18:31):

And co-stars Chris Hemsworth. Sounds like Goddard was involved in some sort of uncredited capacity. Joss Whedon goes on to direct Age of Ultron in 2015, directs much of Justice League, even though he’s not credited. In 2017, creates the Nevers for HBO and has an overall deal with Warner Brothers that then gets put on hold when allegations against Joss Weeden come out as this always like the feminist champion of strong women. Turns out very sexually abusive or sexual harasser as a boss to the women who work for him, cruel romantic partner, cruel to all the people who work with him. Even on the commentary, I feel like he’s bullying Goddard a little bit. I

Laci (00:19:21):

Find that so interesting that there’s a commentary with him speaking after you find out he’s an abuser, then you could just kind of go and mine it.

Matt (00:19:29):

Oh,

Laci (00:19:29):

Absolutely. Like to find out a Simpsons person that’s on all the commentary was actually like really into balloon play and then you can just go.

Matt (00:19:37):

Exactly.

Laci (00:19:38):

It’s like that. Look for the balloon

Matt (00:19:40):

Talk. Or go reread the Harry Potter books. You’ll see some

Laci (00:19:44):

Hints

Matt (00:19:45):

Of her transphobia

Laci (00:19:46):

In there. Well, in over racism and just how on the nose all of her characters are depending on their race.

Matt (00:19:52):

They’re for children. Yeah. Oh, like goblins or Jews?

Laci (00:19:56):

That and then how she names her Asian characters, how she names just different characters are all very like trophy.

Matt (00:20:04):

In that case, I mean giving character that is so that you can avoid saying Cho Chang the Chinese student, you can just say her name and then the reader can take from that. Fine. I absolve her. KK Rawling

Laci (00:20:19):

Defender.

Matt (00:20:19):

That’s true. I am.

Laci (00:20:20):

Yes. I knew it.

Matt (00:20:22):

But what of Drew Goddard? Well, the movie Kevin the Woods gets released in April 2012, gets lots of critical acclaim, makes some good money. Drew Goddard rewrites World War Z. He wrote the screenplay for The Martian, got an Oscar nomination for it.

Laci (00:20:40):

Solid little spray he went on here.

Matt (00:20:43):

Yeah. He created the Netflix Daredevil show, but I think he left that before it was produced. He had no actual role with it after creating it.

Joshua (00:20:51):

Oh, really?

Matt (00:20:52):

Yeah, just like his guy JJ with Lost. But the next time he directed a movie was Bad Times at the El Royal.

Laci (00:20:58):

I have not seen this one.

Matt (00:20:59):

I just watched

Joshua (00:21:00):

This. This is quite good also.

Matt (00:21:02):

It’s very good.

Joshua (00:21:02):

What do you

Matt (00:21:02):

Think? Oh, it’s very good. I like it better than Kavin in the woods. There’s tons of …

Laci (00:21:07):

What? John Ham’s in it? That’s all you had to say.

Matt (00:21:10):

Well, I mean, there’s a lot of through lines between them. For one, this bad times at the El Royale. Is

Laci (00:21:17):

It like a play on mob movies?

Matt (00:21:20):

Oh, a little bit. A noir? It’s a Neo Noir. Seven people. It’s people at a motel, a very cool motel of the 16s. It’s a great thriller. And it’s like one night, but there’s mirrors. I never remember, is it one way mirror or two way? The Spying Mirror. This movie is 20 minutes centered on Spying Mirrors. Okay.

Laci (00:21:40):

A one way mirror is just a mirror.

Matt (00:21:41):

Okay. Just like Cabin in the Woods is … But Joshua, I wanted to ask you this. When’s the last time you saw this movie?

Joshua (00:21:49):

So I’ve only seen it once when it came out and I remember loving it. One of my favorite movies of the year, but I haven’t rewatched it since. I want to. It’s great. It’s a great ensemble thriller. I love mysterious reveals, good twists and the cast is …

Matt (00:22:02):

2018.

Laci (00:22:03):

So before John Hamm got too haggard, I’m listening.

Matt (00:22:07):

And this cast, I mean, he has a couple people. Cynthia Arivo, Louis Pullman, Kaylee Spainy all before they became big stars. That is some excellent casting. I

Joshua (00:22:19):

Remember Cynthia has a really great singing scene in this movie. I never heard of before. I was like, wow, she got a great voice. Of course now she’s wicked.

Matt (00:22:27):

Absolutely. Yeah.

Laci (00:22:28):

That’s

Matt (00:22:28):

Her. That’s her.

Laci (00:22:29):

I’m fat at names. That’s her.That’s alphabet. Yeah. She has tons of tea. If I’ve seen her nails, I would’ve known if her picture were like this.

Matt (00:22:36):

Yeah. You’d hold space for her.

Laci (00:22:37):

I would hold it.

Matt (00:22:40):

But okay. So I don’t know if you remember Chris Hemsworth, who’s in that movie and is great. And I would say- Is he villain? Yeah, he is.

Joshua (00:22:47):

He’s a villainous turn in this one.

Matt (00:22:49):

Yeah. When he was in Furiosa, I was like, I’ve never seen a performance like this from him, but I would be wrong. This one too. Yeah. He’s great. It’s a great one. I

Joshua (00:22:58):

Got to rewatch it.

Matt (00:22:59):

I wonder-

Joshua (00:22:59):

Somatography’s all awesome in this one.

Matt (00:23:01):

I wondered, is Drew Goddard thinking of Joss Whedon with this Chris Emsworth character? He plays this Charles Manson hippie cult leader.

Laci (00:23:10):

Yeah, he can turn those blue eyes into the kind that are creepy. There’s a whole meme or a whole trend on social media about how blue eyes are actually the scariest fucking eyes. But it’s just the way he can bring them up and it instantly doesn’t look like a good American boy. It looks like someone that wants to suck my soul out of my fucking vage.

Matt (00:23:32):

Yeah. And I think that’s what you see when you look into my eyes, right?

Laci (00:23:35):

Oh, that’s why I put my badge right on your head. Laci. I want you to be able to suck it real easy.

Matt (00:23:40):

Laci.

Laci (00:23:40):

I’m so sported. We

Matt (00:23:41):

Have a guest. We have a guest. You’re making him blush. So when a

Laci (00:23:45):

Man and a woman love each other, they sit on each other’s faces.

Joshua (00:23:49):

It’s good. I’m glad you’re still doing that being married.

Laci (00:23:51):

Yeah, no.

Matt (00:23:52):

For so long.

(00:23:56):

I keep my toes. So look, in the movie, the plot revolves around them finding a film strip of an unnamed dead president, clearly JFK. They don’t say JFK in a compromising position. And this cult leader played by Chris Hemsworth asks Cynthia Arivo, she’s like, “Who do you think’s all in this film strip that miss?” And she is very tired of dealing with his shit. And here’s what she says. She says, “I think it’s a powerful man, a man who talks a lot, a man who talks so much that he thinks he believes in something and really just wants to fuck who he wants to fuck. I’ve seen it enough. I’m not even mad about it anymore. I’m just tired.” So as I was watching this, I was like, is he literally writing about his mentor, Josh Whedon? Maybe I’m reading too much into this.

Laci (00:24:43):

She’s talking about an archetype.

Joshua (00:24:44):

Are they not friends anymore? They had a falling out because of the whole-

Matt (00:24:48):

I

Laci (00:24:48):

Couldn’t help. I

Matt (00:24:50):

Couldn’t. I don’t know.

Laci (00:24:51):

He should lose all of his friends.

Matt (00:24:54):

I mean, you always find out they’re always supporting. Everybody’s always still friends.

Laci (00:24:57):

I know. People are onions, two sides.

Matt (00:25:01):

But Josh Whedon hasn’t worked since. I mean, he probably is doing uncredited rewrites, Josh Whedon, which is what he’s done. I think because he’s

Joshua (00:25:08):

Got a lot of stuff in development still, but they’re probably still waiting to see if it blows over, if people will forgive him. I don’t know.

Laci (00:25:15):

He’s not allowed to use his hands. He just can use litle grabber

Joshua (00:25:18):

Things. I think he’ll come back. I think talented people come back.

Laci (00:25:21):

I just don’t want him around women. If he can do an all male staff, then yay.

Matt (00:25:26):

I don’t want him writing movies because I don’t like him as a writer.

Laci (00:25:29):

Right. And you have that on proof. You have that in a tablet somewhere etched because as soon as I met you, you made that fucking known.

Matt (00:25:41):

Though this movie, very unquippy to its credit.

Laci (00:25:44):

Well, thank God.

Matt (00:25:46):

Yes. Thank God for that. Drew Goddard. Yeah. It’s supposedly working on a Matrix reboot. We will see, but that’s the history of Cabin in the Woods.

Laci (00:25:54):

I would love to look at the Matrix a different way for the people who are just really into it, like not.

Matt (00:26:01):

You’d want him to do sort of a deconstructed

Laci (00:26:03):

Matrix? Yeah. I don’t know. I don’t know what the fuck I want and I haven’t seen all the sequels, so maybe I already got what I want. Yeah,

Matt (00:26:08):

I think you did get what you

Laci (00:26:09):

Want. You just

Matt (00:26:09):

Didn’t care to see it.

Laci (00:26:10):

It’s right, because I didn’t even know what I was talking about.

Matt (00:26:48):

Ancient Evil is where we start for 20 seconds and then boom, we’re looking at these two boring guys getting sad coffee from a coffee machine.

Laci (00:26:58):

I just immediately know I’m in good hands because Bradley Whitford, from the days of Billy Madison, as soon as I see him, I’m like, “You’re going to terrify me or delight me and you’re going to be a swarmy asshole either way. And yay.” And then I just realized we just saw Richard Jenkins in Nightmare Alley and he’s still fucking giving me the creeps and he’s hilarious. I mean, not in that movie, but Stepbrothers. God.

Matt (00:27:26):

He’s so scary in Nightmare Alley. Both of these guys can be very scary. Yes. And Jenkins is great in this movie too, but I think Bradley Ridford runs away with this movie.

Joshua (00:27:34):

Really? I like Richard Jenkins more actually, I think. As actor. As the characters, I love them both, but Richard Jenkins to me I gravitate to him more as an actor.

Laci (00:27:45):

That makes sense because he’s kind of the straight man, even though they’re both very funny. The other one’s more flamboyant and I get why you would be more drawn to the more subdued one, but I like them both.

Matt (00:27:55):

Woodford just has my favorite moment. It’s going to be in my top 30 moments in any movie ever. Do you know what I’m talking about? The Mordecai phone call? No, no, no.

Joshua (00:28:02):

The Merman. He’s like, oh, come

Matt (00:28:04):

On. It’s not the Merman. These are all gret now.

Laci (00:28:06):

Shit. The one where he’s just saying … It takes me 20 minutes to get a beer.

Matt (00:28:12):

No, I’m actually rooting for this girl. She’s just got so much

Laci (00:28:16):

Heart and

Matt (00:28:17):

So

Laci (00:28:17):

Much- Tequila is my latest.

Matt (00:28:19):

It’s so perfect because he’s kind of dressed. Even he doesn’t believe what he’s saying. He looks over and he’s like, and she just got a tequila, he’s my lady.

Joshua (00:28:28):

Yeah. They have great tone chefs in this movie. I love that. They’re doing so well.

Laci (00:28:33):

I mean, it’s such a well observed thing about humans. This is the worst job in the world if this is really what you’re really, really good at, is getting the sacrifices to be dead of their own fucking volition. To get people to choose to die is your fucking specialty. That is so depressing. So it’s just very human that they would take bets and immediately get drunk after. Of

Matt (00:28:58):

Course, yeah.

Laci (00:28:58):

Leave it on the TV as though it’s entertainment. Just convince yourself it’s not really happening.

Matt (00:29:03):

And I mean, if you’re reading all of this as this is a movie production, they are the producers. They’re sick of producing shitty horror movies, but it’s what pays the bills. They’d like to be doing something a little better, but we got to …

Laci (00:29:17):

We got babies coming. We’re trying to get pregnant. We’re trying to …

Matt (00:29:19):

So you got to keep it interesting somehow and we just get these anonymous teen actors. They’re going to do degrading stuff. They’re going to get naked for no reason and make bad decisions. And we have a director and we have a tech department and all of that.

Laci (00:29:34):

I appreciate the level of titty in this movie though. It is tasteful titty. You can tell it is just enough to appease the gods, which are us because what I hate is when a woman gets killed while naked and it’s just her boobs flopping all over the place and sometimes her vag. You see Jules’ boobs because they make a whole point of it like it’s time for the reveal. And then when she gets killed, the She’s covered like Aladdin. Aladdin never having nipples.

Matt (00:30:03):

So this woman runs up from the Kim department, Ms. Lynn, and she’s talking about how the rest of the world, everything’s going bad in the rest of the world. Now it’s just Japan and us were the only ones left. And Bradley Whitford and Richard Jenkins, they’re like, “We got this no problem.

Laci (00:30:19):

We’re all good.” Don’t worry. So it’s them themselves being stereotypes. Stereotypes of demeaning office, know- it-all men.

Matt (00:30:28):

And what is their department called?

Laci (00:30:31):

I don’t-

Joshua (00:30:31):

They’re in operations, right?

Matt (00:30:33):

Operations? Okay. They seem

Laci (00:30:34):

To be at the motherboard. Yeah,

Joshua (00:30:36):

They’re the control center. So operations, I would say.

Laci (00:30:38):

Right. They call in demo, they call them Kim, they call them zoology. They’re the ones who activate all the other departments.

Matt (00:30:44):

So they are the producers. They’re the ones running the entire production of the movie.

Laci (00:30:47):

They are the Ed Harris in Truman’s head. There

Matt (00:30:49):

You go. Yes. There you go. But I love how much it’s not explaining to you at all and how- It’s

Laci (00:30:55):

Just a main

Matt (00:30:56):

Thing. How much the movie is rubbing in your face.You thought you were coming to see a horror movie. You’re an idiot.

Laci (00:31:01):

Haha. This is just The Office.

Matt (00:31:03):

And I wish it had just opened with them in the office because then when the title comes on the screen, it is glorious.

Joshua (00:31:12):

There’s some screen music too, like the insidious kind of score.

Laci (00:31:17):

I mean, the credits are underwhelming. But they’re also kind of nice and confusing as well because they’re just like ancient blood sacrifice demon crap. It almost looks like a spoof on horror credits.

Matt (00:31:33):

Right, right. But I love the onscreen title, The Capital in the Woods, where you’re nowhere near any woods or anything. And on the commentary they talk about how-

Laci (00:31:45):

Ta, tut, tut. They’re underneath the mat. This is the under of Disney World. Remember the whole time when they’re talking about upstairs, they’re talking about the people who are getting killed.

Matt (00:31:55):

So you’re saying this is also Disney World?

Laci (00:31:56):

No. No I’m saying they reference upstairs and downstairs constantly and they’re jargon and they’re, “Oh, those upstairs.” And you don’t realize until later upstairs is just the teens running around getting killed. They’re on top.

Matt (00:32:08):

They’re not talking about a boss?

Laci (00:32:09):

No, that’s downstairs.

Matt (00:32:11):

Okay.

Laci (00:32:12):

Yeah.

Matt (00:32:13):

They talk on the commentary about wanting to not give the audience any information and then the studio totally panicking and they’re like, “But the focus groups save, nobody’s confused. They’re afraid they walked into the wrong movie. They don’t understand what they’re talking about. What are they talking about? ” And that’s why I real … I mean, I kind of always associated this movie with it’s a metaphor for making movies. But the way that they will talk about the way studio executives talk about the audience, like they’re this unknowable ancient entity. They’re too stupid. The audience will not understand. That’s why I think it tracks on really neatly onto the audience as the ancient ones.

Laci (00:32:54):

You must give them what they think they’ve come for and then surprise them. We Trojan horse in the newness, you cannot be all new. They must welcome it in. They must choose.

Matt (00:33:06):

They lost choose. So we meet the mate, M-E-A-T. We got Dana, Kristen Connolly. We got Marty Fran Krons.

Laci (00:33:19):

Fran Krons.

Matt (00:33:20):

Chris Hamsworth is Kurt. Anna Hutchinson is Jules. Jesse Williams is Holden. Everybody be honest, have you ever heard of any of these guys other than Chris Hemsworth?

Laci (00:33:30):

No. I’m not

Joshua (00:33:31):

Sure at that time.

Laci (00:33:32):

Yeah. Any of their IMDB Cabin in the woods is their most … You know how they put the known for four movies at the top? It’s in all of theirs, which is a shame because I find Jesse Williams very just his eyes, but he’s probably meant for network TV. He’s just good to look at.

Matt (00:33:56):

And they’re all very busy TV actors, except the guy who plays Marty was on Joss Whedon’s show, Dollhouse. So he’s in the Joss Whedon Stable. And I think he’s the one who-

Laci (00:34:05):

So was I think Anna Hutchinson.

Matt (00:34:09):

She was?

Laci (00:34:09):

I think so. But yeah, I really like Marty. So it’s a bummer that he isn’t in very much, but he’s kind of a shapeshifter the way that Sam Rockwell or Gary Oldman are. If you go look at him in any other movie or show he’s done, he looks just like this old … He looks like John Ham for some reason. He doesn’t look- Really? It’s amazing what this hair is doing for him and the voice he’s putting on. But you know how Sam Rockwell and Gary Olman can just become a whole other … They never look like who they are because their look is a vehicle for other looks. They are made to dress up into a character because their bass is so palatable, so baked potato to come back to the tail.

Matt (00:34:55):

And this is a character playing a character without realizing it. He’s not that much of a stoner.

Laci (00:35:00):

I’m not

Matt (00:35:01):

That much of a burnout.

Laci (00:35:02):

He almost seems like he’s so smart and so anxious and aware of the weird reality he lives in that he’s smoking weed to deal with it and he’s not wrong.

Joshua (00:35:13):

Great character. I think I recognize Fran. I’m looking at his filmography now. He is in a movie called The TV Set, which I love about filmmaking and making a TV show. And he’s been in a bunch of other movies before that. He’s one of those actors, he’s nice seeing a litle bit, but you don’t know his name. Other ones are all pretty young in their careers though.

Matt (00:35:30):

I think it’s just that Chris Hemsworth is in there. So you’re like, “Oh, these other people are probably also people. ” And they’re all people. They’re all very successful working actors. It’s just one of them happened to become the work war. A

Joshua (00:35:42):

Mega star. Yeah. But this is one of his first roles.

Matt (00:35:46):

And if I could go back in time- Star Trek

Joshua (00:35:47):

For a minute and that was about it.

Matt (00:35:49):

Yeah, Star Trek was going to come out later this summer and he’s so good. He’s in the opening sequence of that movie, but he’s amazing in that movie. Oh, to go back in time and say, “Chris, do not play Thor, please. Have an actual movie career instead.”

Laci (00:36:03):

But wait, but he’s still going to get to have one. And look at him. How could you deny him? He’s so tall.

Matt (00:36:09):

No, he’s great at Thor. It’s just playing a superhero doesn’t do anything for anybody except for RDJ. The only one who’s not

Joshua (00:36:16):

That

Matt (00:36:16):

Superhero.

Laci (00:36:18):

You’re right.

Matt (00:36:21):

It’s not because of you, it’s because of the character. It’s because of the-

Joshua (00:36:23):

He’s stuck in the character. Yeah. But I like how Thor has evolved throughout the movies, especially what’s happening now.

Laci (00:36:29):

He’s gotten

Joshua (00:36:30):

Really shows. His characters, a lot of arcs. Yeah.

Laci (00:36:32):

And he’s really gotten to show his comedic chops through that character. I feel like Thor wouldn’t have been what he became if it weren’t for the talent of him’s worth.

Matt (00:36:42):

Oh, absolutely. Again, he’s the best. I like Thor. I like him as Thor. I’m

Laci (00:36:47):

Just saying- I

Matt (00:36:47):

Like him.

Laci (00:36:48):

He’s a great guy.

Matt (00:36:49):

I think for a lot of these Marvel actors, one takes up so much of your time that you probably could have … But it’s not the 90s anymore. The kinds of movies you used to be able to make don’t get made anymore. But he’s also great in this movie as a nothing character. You kind of can’t take your eyes off of him.

Joshua (00:37:08):

I think all the actors are fantastic in this and what their characters are. Again, I wish we got to know them a little bit more before they’ve kind of become the archetypes for what the old gods want. But yeah, I think they all do great. And I never saw Anna Hutchinson at anything before, but she’s awesome in this movie.

Matt (00:37:24):

She is great. She’s really good. Yeah. So the lead Dana is in her underwear and just that in and of itself, it’s like that’s a bit strange. Why is a woman just hanging out in her house and her underwear with the window wide open?

Laci (00:37:39):

And I make sure to tell you every time we do see, because it’s also in the fucking Grindhouse movie where the DJ lady’s just in her underwear and shirt just being sexy on her own. Women don’t do that. We’re cold.

Joshua (00:37:54):

Yeah.

Matt (00:37:55):

We’re cold.

Joshua (00:37:56):

It’s a bit odd because she also’s talking to her roommate, I guess her friend, who’s Anna Hutchinson, the blonde. And then Chris comes in and starts talking to her and no discussion until a couple minutes later, you have no pants. It’s like, oh yeah, I forgot that wasn’t wearing pants for some reason. It’s a little bizarre, but we’ll let it slide because she’s hot, right?

Matt (00:38:14):

The deal with Kurt Chris Samsworth is like he’s acting like a jock, but he’s actually on academic scholarship. He knows all these philosophy professors and philosophy books and he’s like, “Oh, just read this book for professor, whatever. He’ll be really impressed.”

Laci (00:38:30):

He even picks on his hot girlfriend saying, “Who gave you these? How do you know what to do with these?” I learned it from watching you. I love that because in just that little back and forth you see these guys actually really like each other, love each other, are funny. There is substance here. These are not just two people we should kill off. And

Matt (00:38:49):

What do we always say we like seeing? People

Laci (00:38:50):

Laughing at each other’s jokes in real life. Exactly. Like actual relationship shit. Quit pretending there’s a fucking audience there.

Matt (00:39:00):

Yeah. And not just with these two later when Marty makes the joke about, he’s like, “I think these gas pumps, I think this is barter gas. Chris Samsworth laughs. Oh, you just said something funny. That’s funny.” I love that. I love that so much. And

Laci (00:39:15):

Chris Himsworth is really the one that knows how to do it the most naturally. I think these other actors, when they’re just paired off without him, don’t remember to do that because Marty very funnily walks by Jules and Holden after they’ve been kissing. He just says, “He’s got a husband’s bulge.” And both of them just look like startled and surprised that there’s a boner. When in real life you’d both be like, “Ha, you got a boner.” Anyway,

Matt (00:39:42):

Even that is like, because these characters are, they’re not teenagers. They’re like in college and they’re all played by actors who are in their late 20s. So even that is, you have the cognitive dissonance of like we’re making out on the sofa and talking about like we’re having sort of high school as conversations about how far we want this to go. Only as far as- And

Joshua (00:40:00):

Truth and dare. Truth or dare.

Matt (00:40:02):

A truth or dare. Yes, exactly.

Joshua (00:40:03):

Yeah.

Laci (00:40:04):

It’s almost like the cabin knows you’re going to play truth or dare because it blows open that cellar as if that’s a part of it. And I like that they don’t explain it, but it’s like you don’t give people a TV and there aren’t smartphones that are that woven in yet. So they’re going to resort to like, what’s an adult game? What if they brought cards against humanity and just totally fuck up all the plans and they’re like, “No games. You can’t bring them in. “

Matt (00:40:28):

Something would happen.

Joshua (00:40:29):

They find a way to get rid of that game or something.

Matt (00:40:32):

The cards would combust. They’re heading out of the house. Jewels, she’s got all these suitcases and Kurt’s like, “We’re only going for a weekend.” And she’s like, “You won’t be upset when you see what I’ve got in these suitcases.” And you’re like, “Well, I’ll stop my complaining then.” A

Laci (00:40:49):

Lot of dildo-y-dose.

Matt (00:40:51):

What does she have in there?

Laci (00:40:52):

Dil-do-yous?

Matt (00:40:53):

You never eat the sea. No,

Laci (00:40:55):

It’s ungod.

Joshua (00:40:56):

Just probably lingerie and stuff like that. Sexy things. Sexy things.

Matt (00:40:59):

There’s a lot of sexy

Laci (00:41:00):

Things. I do think equipment. I think equipment is implied.

Matt (00:41:04):

Okay. I don’t think …

Laci (00:41:06):

I mean, I look at Chris and I know he’s down to peg.

Matt (00:41:09):

Okay.

Laci (00:41:10):

You

Matt (00:41:11):

Think that’s what’s happening?

Laci (00:41:12):

I hope so.

Matt (00:41:13):

All right. Yeah, I hope

Laci (00:41:14):

So too. I’d peg that.

Matt (00:41:15):

Oh, the God of Thunder indeed. Okay. But then Marty pulls up and just one of these great touches that I only noticed because I watched the movie twice, he gets out of his car, his window is down, he locks the door, pulls on the handle to make sure it’s locked and then walks away, even though his window is down. I love that so much that he takes the time to make sure my car is locked

Laci (00:41:38):

Even

Matt (00:41:38):

Though my window is down.

Laci (00:41:39):

He’s a paranoid person and for good reason, even though he’s also a pothead.

Matt (00:41:46):

And enormously has the bong, the coffee thermos bong, great. But then as they pull away and just the detail that they’re getting in an RV and they’re like, “We’re all going to Kurt’s cousin’s house.” Kurt’s, that’s made up. Come on.

Laci (00:42:01):

I like that. It’s brought up at the very end. I don’t even think he has a cousin. Why would you know that girlfriend or best friend of his girlfriend?

Matt (00:42:09):

Because so many horror movies are like, “Yeah, we’re going to go stay at my cousin’s house.” I’ve talked to my cousin 10 times in my life. I’m just kidding. I have one who listens, but people aren’t always going to stay with their strange cousins at a lake house or whatever, but we pan up and we see a man on the roof who says and do a walkie-talkie, the nest is empty.

Laci (00:42:28):

I am curious how they become chosen, but I don’t care that we don’t find out how.

Matt (00:42:34):

Well,

Joshua (00:42:35):

That’s what happens. So they do this every year, it’s an annual event they have to do. So before that, the 300, 360, whatever days it was before, that’s when they’re doing all the planning, the research and figuring out what kind of friend groups there are, what we can make the archetypes of these, which one’s going to be satisfied for the-

Matt (00:42:51):

Pre-production and casting.

Joshua (00:42:52):

The sacrifice and stuff. Yeah, exactly. Can

Laci (00:42:54):

We get Holden to need to switch over from state? Yes, we can, because we need an egghead.

Matt (00:43:00):

Even that line, he just transferred over from state. That’s a movie line.

Laci (00:43:03):

People don’t

Matt (00:43:03):

Talk that way.

Laci (00:43:04):

Right. And we need her to break up with her professor because that makes her a little bit of a slut and we need her to fall in love with the egghead. So they don’t say what happens, but we are going to make sure that relationship’s over with. You need a pick me up at the cabin.

Matt (00:43:19):

So oh shit, they’ve accidentally driven into Texas Jains on Massacre. They drive through a scary tunnel and then go to, or I guess this is before the tunnel. Yeah. Go to this gas station, which was just a real person’s house with a Confederate flag, despite being in rural British Columbia. I love the Canadians with the Confederate flags. I

Laci (00:43:40):

Just think it looks cool.

Matt (00:43:43):

And then this guy comes out, this actor, I wrote his name. Do you think

Laci (00:43:46):

They bloodshot his eye or give him one of those vain poppings right before the film just so it looks extra creepy?

Matt (00:43:53):

They must have.

Laci (00:43:53):

Because I mean, that’s real. That real. Yeah.

Joshua (00:43:56):

He’s creepy for sure.

Matt (00:43:57):

Tim Dazarn is Mordecai, the gas station owner. He is the harbinger. He has to give them the warning. Crazy Ralph and the Friday of the 13th movies. Don’t go that way. That way is cursed. You’re all going to die. And then tells Jules she is a whore. And they’re all like, wait, what? Not only is it an insult, but it’s also confusing. What did she do? But he

Laci (00:44:16):

Just

Matt (00:44:17):

Knows. He’s read the script. You’re the whore. Oh, and I love … They’re going to stay at the old Buckner place. I’ve seen plenty come and go. I’ve been here since the war. Which

Laci (00:44:28):

War? Which

Matt (00:44:28):

War? You know damn well which war.

Laci (00:44:30):

Whore. I mean, I’m assuming Vietnam, but like the war of the world.

Matt (00:44:38):

Since that Ice Cube movie came out.

Laci (00:44:41):

Oh God, don’t remind me.

Matt (00:44:43):

They go through that tunnel in the mountain. We see the bird crash into the wire frames and they arrive at the tichular cabin in the woods. Cool. This movie was shot by Peter Deming, the cinematographer who also shot Evil Dead too. So it’s literally like, let’s go get the guy who … He didn’t invent the visual language for these kinds of movies, but is a very important guy. He worked with Sam Ramey a lot. Also worked with David Lynch, shot Lost Highway and Mulholland Drive. And Laci, get this. This DP shot dropped dead Fred.

Laci (00:45:14):

Oh yes.

Matt (00:45:19):

But among other things, I think this movie looks really good. It’s really well shot. And really, it’s one of the rare horror movies that really, really integrates CGI in a very effective way, I think.

Laci (00:45:29):

And it works because what they’re showing you are movie tropes. So when they look a little CGI-ish, when all the big bads are coming down on the building and killing all the office workers, it’s like you can forgive it because it’s like, oh, that just look like a mishmash of everything I’ve ever seen in a movie. It’s fine.

Matt (00:45:47):

And they’ll throw in so much at you at once, you’re not going to be like, “Wait a minute.”

Laci (00:45:51):

The layers upon layers of guns and blood looks great. And then you just hear the bung of the elevators and you’re just like, “And here we go again.”

Joshua (00:46:01):

They did a lot. They tried to do everything practical, what they could do and they married it with the visual effects, what they couldn’t do. I think it looks great. I think most of them look really … I don’t think it looks too CG-ish. I think it’s fantastic.

Matt (00:46:13):

No, I agree. Yeah, do practical while you can and just everything’s designed well and it’s integrated very well. So they go into this cabin-

Laci (00:46:24):

Which looks completely dead and abandoned. And the more they’re in it, the more life comes from it. It looks tiny and yet there’s four rooms for them to each have their own. Oh yeah, that’s a good point. It must be a very long cabin because it looks like there may be one room from the outside. Doesn’t make sense.

Matt (00:46:43):

Yeah, you’re right. And Marty’s like the one who can sense

Laci (00:46:46):

Something

Matt (00:46:46):

Is amiss, but no one else seems to be picking up on just the vibes of the world.

Laci (00:46:53):

It’s almost set up like a camp, like a summer camp where you walk in and that’s the common area. And then as you go down the hall, there’s rooms for everybody. So it’s almost like it’s a camp counselor building. It’s meant to have one place where there’s a kitchen and people where you can talk and then everyone gets their own room.

Matt (00:47:13):

They go in, they’re all very, “Oh, it looks great.” Jules says to Chris Emsworth, “You’re going to kill a raccoon for me? ” He’s like, “All he is, it’s skin to make a camp.” He’s excited.That’s who you do with

Laci (00:47:23):

A raccoon.

Matt (00:47:24):

He’s excited about killing a raccoon.

Laci (00:47:25):

That’s how you make a hat. Okay. They all diligently go straight to their rooms to unpack like you do for a two night stay anywhere. No. And that is when we start noticing that there are weird things about this cabin, but we haven’t got a chance to really talk or meet Holden. We don’t know what he’s about and we think, “Hey, you know what? He seems kind of nice because he’s not okay with the gruesome painting that is on his wall.” So he’s like, “Not today, Satan.” And he takes it off. And then a very creepy first shot of her just staring into the room because it’s actually a two-way mirror and he’s amused by it and really starting to like her a lot, her being the virgin. So I don’t know, it kind of lets you know like, okay, he’s actually into her. He’s not like, “Oh God, they’re setting me up.” Because you don’t know yet.

(00:48:16):

You don’t know if he’s into her at all. And then of course she goes to start taking off her shirt and, oh, he’s a good guy. He does want to see a little bit of titty, but he does, “Stop, stop. I can see your tits.” So it tells us it’s a smart way of telling us a whole lot about this one character who we’re spending maybe five minutes with total.

Matt (00:48:40):

Great

Joshua (00:48:40):

Character

Laci (00:48:40):

Work in this for sure. I’m sorry.

Joshua (00:48:43):

I wanted to ask you about this painting. So I mean, it’s an interesting, gruesome painting with disturbing imagery, but why would the workers put that there to get them off guard? Why would they want them to think something was amiss? I’m confused by that

Laci (00:48:57):

Part. Because they have to keep choosing to stay there. I think there needs to be enough weirdness. If a seller popped open, I don’t know that I’m staying in the place that I’m at. I mean, it does seem like cheating that they’re pumping in chemicals and making them dumber and more intoxicated and less inhibited and all those things, that’s not really them, but I live in a world where sellers don’t pop open and then there’s haunted, horrific toys inside. So I think I just go home and they do allude to that they all, as long as they don’t transgress, they will not be attacked. But what’s weird to me is why is the transgression reading Latin? Why is this transgression playing with the … Also, Himsworth’s character figures out really quickly that puzzle ball. Why didn’t that unlock it? Why wasn’t that the thing that chose it?

Joshua (00:49:54):

That’s later on, but when we get to the seller part, we can talk about that.

Laci (00:49:56):

I mean, I know who it belongs to.

Joshua (00:49:59):

They didn’t get it all done.

Laci (00:50:00):

Okay. There’s a great

Joshua (00:50:01):

Scene where we could talk about them a little bit.

Laci (00:50:03):

He did solve the first puzzle.

Joshua (00:50:04):

They were getting close to it, but the one who actually got the deed done was when she read out the diary.

Laci (00:50:10):

Right. And it implies that- They’re

Joshua (00:50:12):

All very close to it.

Laci (00:50:13):

Yes. Like her putting on the necklace of the bride, that would’ve started it for that one. Him cranking the ballerina would’ve triggered the ballerina, but no, she found the book, which is apparently what people are drawn to because that whole cellar kind of seems to be focused around them. There’s portraits of them and shit.

Matt (00:50:30):

And they’ll talk about like, see, they have to be making free choices, but of course none of this, these are not free choices at all. People make choices based on the circumstances they’re in, and if you put them in a certain circumstance, they’re going to make a certain decision.

Laci (00:50:43):

And that’s why I was talking about that. I’m sorry. Yes. I think that’s why the creepy painting … I’m not clear on do they want them to find the two-way mirror. I think that they do. I think that either allows the person on the other side to get real sexed up or to … They can use it against them or with them depending on what it is. I think the only thing that happens outside of the plan is that the fool finds the camera, but he even tricks himself into explaining that away.

Matt (00:51:13):

Right. Well,

Joshua (00:51:14):

Because it’s high a lot, but I love the idea about getting tested. I guess that’s part of the rules, but I wonder if they would go through all this trouble, a year of work, get them there and then allow them to leave. You think if they had, “Oh, we’re disturbing paintings, there’s two-way mirrors. Should we just go? ” Would they allow them to get out and go through that tunnel without the force field this time? They’re allowed to.

Matt (00:51:36):

They’re just saying that.

Laci (00:51:37):

If it

Matt (00:51:37):

Actually happened, they would shoot a missile at them or

Laci (00:51:40):

Something. Well, again, I think that on different years they can just let them go because it just happened that this year it was down to Japan and them, but seemingly every single country has this trial and as long as one of them get them, it’s just that it hasn’t been down to just the two of us in a very long time. Two constant time. I get that. And they really wanted Japan to do it so they didn’t have to kill these kids.

Joshua (00:52:07):

I don’t think they care either way about that. I think it’s too corporate. They’re doing the job. They know it’s for the greater good. They don’t really care who dies or what in that case because they just have to get the job done so these ancient ones don’t rise up and kill a many. They don’t care at this point. They’re desensitized to. They do it every year.

Matt (00:52:25):

I agree. It’s part of the job. I think that their relationship to them is like a filmmaker to a fictional character.

Laci (00:52:30):

I

Joshua (00:52:31):

Like that. Yeah. I love thisel filming too.

Laci (00:52:33):

I just want this to be a hit. I don’t care how. I don’t care who makes it a hit, just it needs to be a hit.

Matt (00:52:37):

I mean, it sounds like … Okay, I know how this is going to sound. I’ve written fiction. Oh God. You can get attached to characters and feel like … It’s kind of cruel of me to just make somebody do something. Now they’re not a real person. But you can start to feel that way. And I bet if that’s your whole life is inventing fictional people, you probably do start to feel like it’s weird what I make all these people do.

Laci (00:53:02):

Right. I can have them live any kind of life that I want, but I torture them.

Matt (00:53:08):

And the painting thing, like being so gruesome, I almost read that as these filmmakers are getting really lazy. We’re not even putting that much effort into the set decoration. We’re going to make it really obvious how horrifying this painting is.

Joshua (00:53:22):

I’m clear when the fool finds the cameras and thinks he’s in a reality show as such, it’s interesting, well, do they hide it well enough? Are they getting lazy? Part of this, what I think is brilliant about this movie is how the workers are just kind of not great at their job sometimes. They’ve done it for a long time, but they’re getting lazy. They’re making fun of the Harbinger in front of him, that kind of thing later on. They’re not paying attention to all the time, even though this is super important for humanity. They’re still being kind of lackadaisical about it and talking shit and goofing off and things like that. So I love that aspect of it where they’re not super just clean cut worker guys just getting the job done, like the one black guy in there who’s kind of new to the team.

(00:54:10):

So I love that aspect of it. Matt, I want to ask you though, do you have anything about any spinoffs in the works, any prequel ideas, that kind of thing for this movie? Do you have that in your later on what you’re going to talk about?

Matt (00:54:23):

I didn’t see anything about that. And I’m glad. I was going to say, I love the amount that this movie explains. It’s just enough. I don’t want anymore. I’m very grateful this movie didn’t come out during the streaming age because there would have been a streaming series that no one would have watched.

Joshua (00:54:38):

I disagree. I want a streaming series. I want a TV show. I want more development of different countries. Obviously I’d be a prequel ending, which we’re doing spoilers here. So I want more of that, learn more about the rules, maybe more of the setup, that kind of thing. There could be a lot of different things you could explore in a TV show or a prequel or a spinoff. So I mean, I absolutely want that because I love the world and I love the ideas about it.

Laci (00:55:01):

I’d like to go back to the thing about that these guys should be good at their job. No, they should not because just like in trap, when there’s 100, 300 cops all there to look for this one criminal, that disperses the responsibility across a whole lot of people. Nobody wants to be the guy that catches them. They just want them to get caught. So the way they’re so casually talking about stuff about their family life on the day, on the day it’s got to happen, but they’re not alarmed because they have been pinch hitters in the past and they’ve been able to make it happen, but they are not usually the ones that it is left down to. So I mean, once every 10 years it’s down to just America. I don’t think they’re as practiced as you think. I think they probably get second place a lot or they’re the Japan most years or whatever, but it’s not left to them to do it.

(00:55:54):

And it’s just like in a fricking execution, you don’t want to know you’re the one that shot them. You just need them to be shocked.

Matt (00:56:02):

Yeah. I think-

Laci (00:56:03):

That doesn’t make you a precision shooter. I mean, it just makes you a shooter.

Matt (00:56:06):

Yeah. I don’t think they’re good at their job. I think that-

Laci (00:56:09):

I don’t know how they could be. I think they just have a lot of techniques and they use what they have and they do as much as they have to do, but at the end of the day, they’re running … That’s why I thought capitalism because it’s like, we’re part of a bad machine.

Joshua (00:56:23):

It’s part of that too. I mean, there’s so many different allegories to this

Laci (00:56:26):

Movie.

Joshua (00:56:26):

That’s what makes it brilliant, I think. Yeah. So they’ve been doing it for a while, so they’ve kind of lost their humanity with that. So I was saying, there’s parts where you said Bradley Whitford was talking about like, oh, or maybe they don’t want them to die or they don’t want them to die gruesomely, but they know that it needs to be done. And so they’re kind of joking about other things because it’s like later on, we haven’t got to it yet, but during the party, they get an early party, a success party, and yet she’s still being hunted by the guy and nobody cares. Nobody’s watching it. It’s not important to them because they’re not wrestling with that moral conundrum like no one else people would anymore because they’ve been doing it for years.

Matt (00:57:07):

They tried a lot harder when they first started.

Laci (00:57:09):

I think they also know that she’s already been put through so much that it’s almost better if she dies. I mean, what I think about all the time about the final girl or anyone that survives any horrific experience in a movie, just kill them because I’m about to watch your movie later that’s just about your depression from your past trauma. That’s the next movie because spoiler alert, your life is not going to go well. You’re going to procreate and then you

Joshua (00:57:33):

Traumatized

Laci (00:57:33):

Up to more people. Traumatized people, put them down. And that’s me as a Trump deters.

Joshua (00:57:42):

Drew Goddard, maybe Joss also, but they got inspired by the finality of corporate work, but also when you’re doing dangerous things, like people are saying mundane things about, “Oh, how was your weekend?” But they’re also making bombs in the meantime. They’re making weapons, things like that. That’s where they got inspiration from for this kind of corporation. I wish they named the corporation at some point or the organization. They never do, right?

Laci (00:58:06):

Acme.

Matt (00:58:07):

Cyberdyne. No, they don’t. No, it’s just a

Joshua (00:58:10):

Nice name.

Matt (00:58:11):

It’s just the corporate, the whatever.

Laci (00:58:14):

It reminds me of what you’re talking about reminds me of the movie we watched just this past, I think 2024, the one where the people who live right next to Ashwitz or whatever that- The

Matt (00:58:24):

Zone of interest?

Laci (00:58:24):

Yeah, the zone of interest. I was like, “Yep, we just got to decorate the house and raise our kids.”

Matt (00:58:29):

No, everything is a job and people will get used to anything and will treat anything that they’re always doing casually, like every time Israeli soldiers going into Palestinians houses and recording like, “Dude, bro, I’m stealing their shit, bro.” Everyone will treat everything casually. And so the chemist, Ms. Lynn, comes back in and she explains they’ve put Rohypnol in Jules’ hair dye and it’s sinking into her scalp. That’s why she’s-

Laci (00:58:59):

What is Rohipnol?

Matt (00:59:00):

I looked this up. They said it increases her libido. And I was like, “It does?”

Laci (00:59:03):

No, they said it makes her dumb.

Matt (00:59:05):

No, to increase her libido.

Laci (00:59:07):

No, they said it makes her dumb. No, they

Matt (00:59:08):

Said they put …

Laci (00:59:11):

Okay. Well, what is a doomit?

Matt (00:59:13):

It is the date rape drug. It makes you dumb, but they specifically say we are putting this in to increase her libido.

Laci (00:59:18):

No, they do not. I promise you- The libido thing is after. That’s when they spray the pheromones.

Matt (00:59:24):

I promise you, they say it right here because I wrote it down. I wrote down the drug they said. I was like, “Is that really what that does?”

Laci (00:59:29):

Fine.

Matt (00:59:29):

Because I’m almost 40, I need some of that, but no, no, no. So

Laci (00:59:34):

You give

Matt (00:59:34):

It to me. It’s just the day rape drug. So again, these are not free choices these characters

Laci (00:59:39):

Are making.

Matt (00:59:39):

We’re literally chemically altering

Laci (00:59:41):

Them. That’s like saying someone who gets date raped would chose that. Yes, exactly. That’s crazy.

Matt (00:59:47):

Back at the cabin, everyone takes a swim in the lake. Nobody should swim in a lake. Lakes are creepy. Lakes are weird.

Laci (00:59:51):

Don’t do it.

Matt (00:59:52):

Don’t do it.

Laci (00:59:52):

If you can’t see your feet.

Matt (00:59:54):

You’d swim in

Laci (00:59:55):

A lake, Joshua. I swam in plenty of lakes. I

Joshua (00:59:57):

Have. I know very often I don’t make a practice, But yeah, I’m always concerned about the amoeba situation. They can look your

Laci (01:00:03):

Nose.

Joshua (01:00:04):

Yo don’t want to come out with bleachers. That’s where they live a lot of times in lakes that are not prepped or cleaned or anything.

Matt (01:00:12):

Both of those things, amoebas and touching the floor of the lake. Lakes are not clean. Because it’s just water that just sits there.That’s

Laci (01:00:19):

Gross. And that is my thing about stagnant water. If you go to a place with stagnant water, there’s someone that lives there underneath the water. This is why in Lake Placid, the alligator is not a bad person. He lives there. Now a shark in a river, that shark can go get fucked. That’s

Matt (01:00:34):

A bad person.

Laci (01:00:35):

That’s a bad person. You can just move on to a new town. You don’t belong there. Fuck your proud people. You need something else become a vegan. You’ve got options. You’re going down the river.

Matt (01:00:44):

There’s some exceptions. Bull sharks are tolerant of fresh water. They’re not bad people

Laci (01:00:48):

Because they’re- Those are not bad people because they … What Matt? Go on. I was just going to hype you up. Because

Matt (01:00:53):

They’re tolerant of

Laci (01:00:54):

Fresh water. They’re tolerant of fresh water.

Matt (01:00:55):

Saltwater.

Laci (01:00:56):

And salt water.

Matt (01:00:58):

So the camera pulls back to see almost to take an audience perspective. We see these campers, they’re doomed like the campers at Crystal Lake. Back in the control room, Bradley Whitford and Richard Jenkins, they’re running a pool. Which departments

Laci (01:01:12):

Got? A lot of money.

Matt (01:01:13):

Yeah. The

Laci (01:01:13):

Stacks.

Matt (01:01:14):

Which monster are they going to choose? Okay.

Laci (01:01:18):

Yeah. I forget until they start to do it. Wait, what are they betting on? And then I’m like, oh, it can’t be the order. The order is already set. And who dies first is the whore who lasts, last is the virgin. I guess in the middle is fine. But they seem to say it goes whore, jock, fool, egghead whore. I mean virgin. Okay. Every time I’m going to watch this movie, I tell myself you won’t look when this part comes on the screen, you won’t look. And I know it’s coming and it’s the truth or dare moment where the real sexed up jewels licks the ever living shit out of a freaking taxidermied most wolf. I mean, just all up in his mouth ribs, you know what I mean? Where they’re like the mouth ribs and his fangs and all over his gingivitis and she just up and is snoot.

(01:02:09):

It’s disgusting. It’s so sensual. It’s so in front of everybody. And she does a little theater kid moment in the beginning and everyone applauses and I am fucking creeped out.

Matt (01:02:20):

Anna Hutchinson, the extress is so good here. She’s so funny. Does not treat this like it’s ridiculous at all. I dare you to make out with that wolf. Oh, okay. Who me? Starts making out with the wolf. This is the scariest moment in the movie. Every time I see it, is that wolf going to come to life and body work? That’s

Laci (01:02:37):

What you’re scared.

Matt (01:02:39):

Every time I think that.

Laci (01:02:40):

So uncomfortable. I don’t like to watch

Joshua (01:02:42):

Anyone do this. They want you to think that. Yeah.

Matt (01:02:45):

Laci hates kissing. So kissing a wolf, no way.

Laci (01:02:47):

And she moves the taxidermy tongue. It moves because she’s licking it. It’s not-

Joshua (01:02:53):

They put sugar on there for that scene to make it a little more enjoyable.

Matt (01:02:59):

She’s a horse.

Laci (01:02:59):

She’s a fucking baby. A horse baby? I

Joshua (01:03:02):

Guess someone taste bad also.

Laci (01:03:05):

And then because she liked it so much, they put Tabasco on it so she’d stop. That’s

Matt (01:03:10):

How they told … Cut, cut, cut.

Laci (01:03:12):

Anna. Anna. We’re going to use Cayenne.

Matt (01:03:16):

Okay. Here’s another bad times at the El Royal connection. Okay. Louis Pullman is in that movie. He shares, he works at this motel where they take compromising videos of guests. He tells a very disturbing story about a man who once stayed in the room, brought in a chained up wild wolf. The man got naked, got into the bed with the wolf and slept and cuddled with the wolf all night long.

Laci (01:03:39):

Okay.

Joshua (01:03:40):

Oh, really?

Matt (01:03:40):

So Drew Goddard has something with wolves.

Laci (01:03:43):

Wait.

Joshua (01:03:44):

Yeah.

Laci (01:03:44):

Oh, okay. Wait. Okay.

Joshua (01:03:47):

It’s weird they mentioned this moose thing. I mean, a moose and a wolf look totally different. So I don’t know why. Even someone super high would not think it’d be the case, but

Laci (01:03:56):

It’s a little bit odd. It’s weird to mount a wolf’s head. It’s normal to mount a moose’s head. Meese are on the wall. Wolves are not close. It’s more

Joshua (01:04:06):

Normal for a deer head than a moose, but I just could see-

Laci (01:04:10):

Yeah, but that’s because we’re in the south. In the north, a moose would be the head.

Matt (01:04:14):

He is being stupider than he should be.

Laci (01:04:17):

Yeah, but he’s not dumb because his weed is counteracting all the shit that’s being pumped in there.

Matt (01:04:24):

I mean, just again, they are playing truth or dare like they’re teenagers and not 24

Laci (01:04:28):

Year olds who are. Would you talk about fucking football, Matt? Would I get so bored to tears? I’d start truth or dare in your ass.

Matt (01:04:36):

I’m just glad they’re not on their phones.

Laci (01:04:38):

Cheers. Tell me about it.

Matt (01:04:40):

The cellar door blows open and Chris Simsworth like the wind must have blown it open. And Marty’s like that. Huh?That makes no fucking sense.

Laci (01:04:49):

Okay. But also because they’re in a little bit of a pickle, right? They need to be turning the jock into a meathead jock and he’s not normally, he’s normally chill. They need to be making the eggheg more eggheady and the horror, the blah, blah, blah. But it’s almost like they’re sitting in this room for too long and now the jock thing is being counterproductive because he’s being mean to the virgin. He’s like, “What? Let’s just skip the part where you just push out and then you just say, no I meant truth.” And she gets her feelings hurt because Kurt’s not usually this Kurt and then distraction. It’s a balance. They’re good at their craft when they’re like, “Okay, shit’s going off the rails.” They’ve seen it enough to know what leads to

Matt (01:05:34):

A … They go down into the basement of horrors. I mean, cellar door opening in a cabin in the woods, it is literally just evil dead and they’re going down and it’s just chock full of horror movie Easter eggs. There’s a billion scary dolls and each of them gets attracted to a different object. There’s a music box, there’s a locket, there’s a film strip. Each of them corresponds with a different monster. Chris Hemsworth goes to a almost literal limit configuration from Hellraiser, which I have right here in my hand. I’ve been playing with it all episode. I

Laci (01:06:06):

Was wondering why you had to figure it out. Don’t summon him. I

Matt (01:06:10):

Cannot, because this movie doesn’t do many specific things. It’s all like, it’s the werewolf, it’s a merman. They

Joshua (01:06:17):

Wanted to create their own, have their own stamp on a different kind of monster or a famous monster.

Matt (01:06:22):

No, I’ll show the synabites they have later, but it’s like, how did they not get sued for this? Or did they just get permission to create their own hell raisers? I mean,

Laci (01:06:29):

But it’s a nod, right? Don’t you want yours included if they’re trying to say, “Here’s the horse.” I think it’s an honor.

Matt (01:06:36):

Yes, I know. But if there’s some money to be made and like, oh, you have to cut a check to whoever owns hell raising

Laci (01:06:42):

It. Okay. Okay. But how could you not feel like the little girl that’s trying to scare and kill all the kids in Japan isn’t like the one from Ringo. Ringo.

Matt (01:06:51):

Because

Laci (01:06:54):

Japanese.

Matt (01:06:54):

There’s scary little girls a lot more generic than having a literal puzzle

Laci (01:06:58):

Box. No, that is a very specific, scary little girl.

Matt (01:07:01):

That’s not true. That’s what J Horror is.

Joshua (01:07:04):

There’s a lot of ghosts girls for that one.

Matt (01:07:06):

Yeah, that’s true.

Joshua (01:07:07):

Did you write down the name of the Hellraiser monster?

Matt (01:07:10):

I sure did. We’ll get to him.

Laci (01:07:12):

Cinnabon?

Joshua (01:07:12):

Okay.

Matt (01:07:13):

Cinnabon.

Joshua (01:07:14):

Delicious. I was wondering, do you know what corresponds to the one that Jules is looking at with the wedding necklace? Who would that be?

Laci (01:07:21):

I didn’t see a bride, but there’s all kinds of movies about jilted brides.

Matt (01:07:25):

There is a bride. Yeah, bride. There’s a fandom wiki for this movie where every single thing is explained because I have the screenshot of Richard Jenkins pointing at the big board with all the monsters so you can see.

Joshua (01:07:39):

I love it. I love that whole scene and that shot and it was memed eventually too. But the problem with the meme thing is it’s a spoiler, so you can’t really use it unless you want to spoil something. But I love that. I froze that and looked up all the monsters and stuff and see who correspond to things. It’s such a great

Matt (01:07:55):

… Two evil dead nods on the board. They literally say Deadite, which is a word from evil dead. And then they have

Joshua (01:08:01):

That

Matt (01:08:03):

Angry molesting tree.

Joshua (01:08:07):

And would that be the one that at the end with the elevator that pulls them out, pulls a soldier out with his roots?

Laci (01:08:15):

I thought it was an octopus, but …

Matt (01:08:18):

That might be.

Joshua (01:08:19):

Oh no, it’s a tree. It’s a tree.

Matt (01:08:21):

That tree can even go up and down elevators. But the thing that everybody starts to get really into is this diary of Patience Buckner, this fucked up kid in this Puritan family in 1903 whose father is killing their mother and filling her belly with coal. God.

Laci (01:08:38):

They’re in a cult of pain. I pray for the pain to come back.

Matt (01:08:42):

Yeah. They worship pain. There’s some Latin words and Marty’s like, “Don’t read it, ” but then a voice whispers, “Read it.

Laci (01:08:50):

“

Matt (01:08:50):

He’s like, “What?” And only he can hear it. So she reads the words and then we cut away and see some zombie Deadites. I mean, it’s Evil Dead meets Texas Chainsaw, I guess.

Laci (01:09:00):

It does feel unfair though. The setting calls for the fucking family to come. The Buckners. It’s the Buckner Place. It’s what it’s called. Exactly. Also, the diary is a literal story. Everything else, you just got to go, look at this found item. I wonder where that came from where everything … The diary’s literally like, “Here’s why I’m scary.” And then Papa did this.

Matt (01:09:19):

It’s like if you went to East La Nubler, if you went to Jurassic Park and Hellraiser happened there and the dinosaurs just weren’t there.

Laci (01:09:26):

Right.

Joshua (01:09:26):

Well, I mean, we’re kind of guessing about what the process is, but do you think they take it to the cabin every year?

Laci (01:09:32):

I think so. I think

Joshua (01:09:33):

It’s

Laci (01:09:33):

Different. It’s on top of the actual company. It’s built in. Unless they put something new up there every now and then, I think they probably all pick their most winning idea. I mean, there’s a bunch of things that are horrific that would fit the cabin, including a molesting tree and the scary murman. You got a lake right there, but there are several things that would not fit.

Matt (01:10:03):

Well, it’s like you’re playing Super Smash Brothers and you choose Mario, but Mario doesn’t just fight in the mushroom kingdom. He also fights in the Pokemon world and he fights in the Starfox world. You know what I’m saying?

Laci (01:10:14):

Saying that ballerina with teeth for her face. Bored. Wake me up later.

Joshua (01:10:19):

I got to say, so this is one of my favorite Marty scenes because I love how Marty as the stoner is the fool is just one of my favorite characters of all time. I love how he lasts longer too and you think he’s going to be gone and he comes back. But he’s always on the ball. He always knows more than everybody else does. He’s always has suspicions from the very beginning. Part of that’s because of the stoner mentality, but also he’s trying to, he’s like, “I dare us all to go upstairs.” That kind of thing. He’s like, “No, this is not great. Can we not get out of here?” And he’s like, “I’m putting my hand in the sand or drawing the line in the sand. Do not read the Latin.” And she keeps on doing it. So I do love Dana as a character too, but she makes two huge mistakes in this movie at least.

(01:11:07):

And that’s one of them, reading the Latin actually out loud, which is insane. What’s the other one? But yeah, I love how he’s always trying to get them to get out of the situation, but he’s getting pulled

Matt (01:11:17):

Into it. But even he’s smarter and more aware of it, but even he’s in his room and he hears the voice post where I’m going to take a walk and then after a while he’s like, “I guess I’m going to go take a walk.” It’s like, you can be smart-susceptible

Joshua (01:11:28):

To it.

Matt (01:11:28):

But we’re still just making the choices that are set out for us to make.

Joshua (01:11:32):

Yeah. And he’s trying to call him out. I dare us all to go upstairs, but then he eventually sees, “Oh, there’s a film reel over there. I guess you guys are not listening to me. I guess I’ll just have to just find some time to kill also.” And he eventually finds a film reel. And that’s the scene where as it goes along, this suspense is so good. Everybody has their own thing they’re trying to do, about to unleash a monster and then eventually the reading.

Laci (01:11:58):

And well, what’s interesting is because he starts off the most intoxicated person to the point that Dana even’s like, “Oh my God, look how high he is. ” And they love him, but he gets in and he’s so fucking stoned in the rambler. And then as the time goes on, he’s the most sober person because the shit they’re pumping into the cabin isn’t affecting him and he’s the only one. He’s the only one seeing it for what it is, but because he’s already the stoner to them, his ramblings sound like stoner talk. So they flip his archetype too, even though it gets used against him.

Joshua (01:12:31):

What are they pumping in the cabin that got Kurt to be like, he’s okay with the basement door just like flying open.

Laci (01:12:38):

Testosterone. He’s just so ready to go. I just want everything needs to be amped. I want to fuck that girl. Let’s go.

Matt (01:12:45):

Right. Because they go back upstairs and then Jules is just dancing in the cabin. And

Laci (01:12:52):

He’s like, “Yeah, you know you want to hit that. Yeah. “

Matt (01:12:54):

Yeah. And he’s like, he wouldn’t be doing this normally.

Laci (01:12:57):

She

Matt (01:12:57):

Wouldn’t be doing this normally, but I love the Friday the 13th series. There’s always one random person just dancing by themselves in a cabin, something that has probably never happened in reality even once. Well, shake

Laci (01:13:07):

That’s just because you’re not a dancer. I dance wherever the fuck I am.

Matt (01:13:10):

Often to no

Laci (01:13:11):

Music

Matt (01:13:11):

Even

Laci (01:13:11):

Playing. Catch me on the Walmart camera.

Matt (01:13:13):

And so they decide they want to go outside to have some sex in the woods. That’s

Laci (01:13:19):

Why we’re here. It’s romantic.

Matt (01:13:21):

And Marty once again is like, “What is going on? ” Since when does Kurt pull all this alpha jock bullshit? He’s on academic scholarship. It’s puppeteers. I tell you, puppeteers, but no one wants to listen to him because like Laci said- He’s

Laci (01:13:33):

The stoner.

Matt (01:13:34):

He’s the stoner, yes.

Laci (01:13:36):

And so they don’t expect the jock to get as far as he does, but the adrenaline he gets and the fear from watching someone he loves get killed and him being also chased, it sobers him up. So he comes back in the cabin like his normal self. He’s making good decisions and he’s guiding them to do the right thing and then they pump more shit in his face. And damn it him’s worth your tall.You’re taller than anyone else. So you’re getting the more shit in your face than anybody.

Matt (01:14:04):

And just his sort of movie star charisma is making everybody gravitate. Well, obviously he’s our leader.

Laci (01:14:09):

He’s got blood on him, Matt. He’s seen some things. You got to follow that man.

Matt (01:14:15):

Yeah. So they’re going outside to have sex, but Jules is like, “No, it’s too cold. Let’s go back inside.”

Laci (01:14:19):

Chilly. So they warm it up. So they

Matt (01:14:20):

Warm it up and pump thereomones and then she just initiates sex right there, takes her boobs

Laci (01:14:24):

Out. No, she says, “It’s so dark.” And then they shine light.

Matt (01:14:28):

That’s all I needed was light. So they’re back in the control room. They’re like, “Come on, take your boobs out, take your boobs out. ” And this new guy, Daniel, who’s like the, “I think guys, what we’re doing here is really problematic. Shut up, Daniel.” They say, “It’s not for us. It’s for, you understand what’s at stake here. The ancient ones demand to see titties in movies.” Because again, the ancient ones are just the American movie going public. They want to see torture porn and boobs. So they’re doing some foreplay and then Jewels gets her hand stabbed with a knife and the Buckners attack. And as each person dies, we see the thing where they back in the control room, they pull a switch, blood gets drained down into this, what do we call these things? These busts with the outline of each archetype that the blood goes into.

Laci (01:15:18):

They just seem like- The

Joshua (01:15:19):

Patterns.

Laci (01:15:20):

Well, they seem like the tubes that go in your veins. These are just arteries. Arteries that fill up each of the … They fill the body of the archetype that they are the blood for. It’s literally arteries.

Matt (01:15:33):

Yeah. I mean, what do we literally call this? The big stone tablet things. I’m

Laci (01:15:39):

Telling you what it is. Those are just tubes. Is there artery?What do you mean? What do you

Joshua (01:15:43):

Want to call them? The ritualistic etchings of the architects. The archetype ritual.

Laci (01:15:50):

The little tracks, Matt. They’re little shooty tracks. What do you want me to fucking say, man? Yeah,

Joshua (01:15:54):

We don’t know exactly the name, but Laci, you just mentioned earlier how they have to die in succession of that order. Do you think that’s true? They don’t

Laci (01:16:01):

Want to spell

Joshua (01:16:02):

That out.

Laci (01:16:03):

They do. All they say, well, they do because the whore has to be first and because the jock is with the whore, he goes next. So they go in the order of their moral value. So then goes the stoner because he didn’t hurt anybody, but he is on drugs and then the egg egg and then the virgin yes or no. What did

Joshua (01:16:24):

Egg had dude that was a sin?

Laci (01:16:27):

He kissed the virgin. I’m serious. Yeah. And he reads So he’s reading Latin too. I mean,

Joshua (01:16:37):

Do the monsters know to kill in the order? I mean, to me, it seems like the monsters don’t know that. They don’t know that. Aware of that kind of thing. So then what if they did kill the fool first or something, what happened?

Laci (01:16:48):

They said that the bottom line, as long as the virgin is last, it’s okay. They have an order that they try to do because that’s the best way. You want the jock gone quickly because he’s going to be the most physically able to get away. And so I mean, they have a standard order because of movies having this standard order. And you want the-

Joshua (01:17:10):

I like that. They want it, but it doesn’t mean it has to be the same. It has to go that way.

Matt (01:17:15):

Right. And even you, the audience watching when Marty dies or you think he dies, you’re like, yes, of course that character dies. And then he comes back and now is the hero of the movie. You’re like, “This is messing with the way I’m viewing all of this. ” But it’s fun to think about, this is all very traditional conservative. We’re offering all of this up. At one point there’s like, remember when you just throw a girl in a volcano, but people will say Hollywood, that’s like sicko liberal Hollywood, but Hollywood’s values are very traditional and conservative. The movies are all about upholding family, the nuclear family, work hard and you’ll get ahead in life and you can titilate your viewers with boobs and violence and stuff, but in the end we must uphold the traditional values of the virgin is the pure one who can survive and everyone else who transgresses has to be punished.

Laci (01:18:08):

Because at the end of the day, you’re trying to please the most people and that’s the lowest common denominator because the success of a movie is how many people go see it rather than like, how good was it?

Matt (01:18:18):

And you’re making movies for companies, for giant corporations who rely on

Laci (01:18:23):

Society

Matt (01:18:24):

Being ordered a certain way.

Laci (01:18:26):

Right. I’ve got McDonald’s is featured in this movie. You can’t go being too progressive.

Matt (01:18:33):

So they attack, they kill Jules. Marty goes outside to go for a walk against his will and then Kurt runs up, “Oh, blondie. The bloody zombies are chasing me. ” And they run back into the … You like my accents when you listen.

Joshua (01:18:49):

I know. Sorry. It doesn’t sound Australian though. I’m

Laci (01:18:52):

Surprised

Joshua (01:18:53):

You say

Laci (01:18:54):

It.

Matt (01:18:54):

I’ve got a bit. It’s a little bit I do on the podcast. Yeah.

Joshua (01:18:58):

It’s a funny bit.What I love about this movie also, how subversive it is, how it subverts your ideas and the tropes and things like that. So it’s 44 minutes and then I get the first kill for a horror movie.That’s pretty unheard of. So that’s also something that makes it different.

Laci (01:19:14):

Yeah, for sure. And because we want to be rooting for these kids, the more human they can make them and the more like these ideas were not things they did because they’re bad, rowdy children. They were trying to cheer up a friend who just got dumped in a very bad way and a new guy came in town and we’re being good kids who just want to go on a lake. They got idiots who don’t wear bras.

Matt (01:19:37):

I think Joshua, like a more conventional movie would be like the first five minutes would be last year’s cabin in the woods campers getting

Laci (01:19:43):

Killed. Right, like a flash for back. Yeah.

Matt (01:19:45):

And then it’s like one year later. Now we’re meeting the new group of people coming in.

Laci (01:19:49):

Right. Because we, as the audience, we want to know we came here to see some gross shit. Show me something gross real fast.

Matt (01:19:56):

And so they decide they’re going to barricade the … Well, we got to get out of here. They decide and Dana says, “I’m not leaving without Jewels.” Well, then there’s a knock on the door and it’s a giant Buckner zombie and he just throws the dismembered head of-

Laci (01:20:08):

There she is. …

Matt (01:20:09):

Of Jewels to her. Well,

Joshua (01:20:11):

That was the second huge mistake that Dana made. She opened the door after saying like, “Don’t go out there.” She opened the door and let them come in. That was the second huge, I can’t believe a final girl would make a big mistake like that.

Laci (01:20:23):

Also not. She’s in shock and her best friend, it may be dead, but like that to her, she might also be alive. So I get the impulse.

Joshua (01:20:32):

Maybe there’s some, the whole like the pheromones and different chemicals and things, they’re messing with their actual reason, usual reasoning.

Matt (01:20:41):

Kurt now says like, “Okay, hey, we’re all going to sty together and we’re going to check systematically every room for weaknesses and then back in the control room and they’re like, damn it. ” They’re like cinema sins now. They’re like, “Here’s everything they did wrong in the movie.” But they’re like, “Shit, they’re going to behave correctly now. Got to pump in more dumbass drugs.” And then he’s like, “Why am I at everybody?” They’re all split up.

Laci (01:21:02):

But if they’re doing their fucking research and they’re working on getting just the right group for a year, why did you target all these scholars? This is a really intelligent group of people. Jules is pre-med. The other one’s in fricking psychology. He’s a freaking scholar, whatever the hell.

Matt (01:21:19):

Because they’re getting lazier at the job. They’re

Laci (01:21:21):

Like, “We’re just looking for hot guys and like horrsies.”

Joshua (01:21:25):

Year after year, you got to think we can get some time. So maybe it’s harder … To orchestrate a friendship rather than to deal with a friendship, a group that already has certain archetypes you could maybe-

Laci (01:21:36):

Right, right. We’ve got four out of our five. We just need to find a way to get that fifth in there. That’s easier than three out of five.

Matt (01:21:43):

So they get into the RV and they escape to Kurt, Dana and Holden, because Marty … Oh, Marty finds the camera in his room and he says, “I’m on a reality TV show,” which is of course the conclusion you should reach.

Laci (01:21:59):

My parents

Matt (01:22:00):

Are going to think I’m such a burnout, but then he gets kidnapped or he gets taken by the zombies. Presumably he is dead. Meanwhile, in Japan, the school girls have managed to overcome the demon and turn it

Laci (01:22:12):

Into a harmless

Matt (01:22:13):

Fraud.

Laci (01:22:14):

Oh yeah.

Matt (01:22:15):

Horrible. And they’re all

Laci (01:22:17):

Celebrating. Fuck you and fuck you little nine-year-old.

Matt (01:22:21):

So

Joshua (01:22:21):

Funny. So funny.

Matt (01:22:23):

And they get a call from Ms. Lynn and she’s like, “Guys, this isn’t good. If the ancient ones rise and they’re like, shut up.” And they hang up on her.

(01:22:32):

Oh, and there’s the thing with, they’re heading toward the tunnel and Richard Jenkins finds out the tunnel has not been caved in. The demolition department was supposed to take care of that, but they didn’t God damn it. So he runs and takes care of it himself. So our heroes, they realize they have to back out of the tunnel and they’re like, “God, we’re so close. If we could just jump this gorge somehow and Chris Hemsworth’s like, wait a minute, I’ve got a bikey.” This is another thing. It seems like we should have established he has a dirt bike or he loves to ride dirt bikes or something.

Laci (01:23:03):

He brought it up in the rambler. It’s his rambler and he brought it up. But you

Joshua (01:23:07):

Don’t think he noticed it the whole

Laci (01:23:07):

Time. He noticed it the whole time.

Joshua (01:23:09):

They

Matt (01:23:09):

Showed the bike.

Laci (01:23:10):

When they pump gas, when they show the van going, when they show them leaving and going through the tunnel, dirt bike the whole time. Jesus Matt.

Matt (01:23:18):

Laci’s

Joshua (01:23:18):

Just- I don’t think I noticed that. They should have had a shot of it. I agree.

Laci (01:23:21):

They have a million shots.

Matt (01:23:22):

No, you need to call attention to it.

Laci (01:23:24):

He’s a fucking tall, good looking- Frame it up. Man, no. I’m glad you want to

Matt (01:23:29):

Marry Joss

Laci (01:23:30):

Weeden. I can’t. Josh Weeden. No. Chris Himsworth.

Matt (01:23:36):

Yeah.

Laci (01:23:37):

Again,

Matt (01:23:38):

We’d

Laci (01:23:38):

Welcome- You can come visit.

Matt (01:23:39):

Thank you.

Laci (01:23:39):

You’re welcome.

Matt (01:23:40):

So he is now in full. Chris Hemsworth is now in full fucking movie star mode and I love … Dana is too. She’s like, “I’m the nice lady who gives the hero a kiss on the cheek. Good luck.” And he goes, “You sure you can make that jump?” And he’s like, “I’ve made bigger jumps before. I’m coming back with cops and shapas and big fucking guns.”

Laci (01:24:02):

Because goddamn it, we’re mostly white.

Matt (01:24:04):

And those things are going to pay for jewels and then they kiss him and-

Laci (01:24:08):

They kiss him.

Matt (01:24:09):

They both kiss him. Good luck. And this is great. He triumphantly leaps in the air and it goes on for a long

Laci (01:24:16):

Time. Oh yeah, he would have made it. The

Matt (01:24:17):

Camera panning over the triumphant music and then just crashes into the wire frames.

Laci (01:24:22):

And goes down forever. Falls forever. It’s great. Because the cavern goes down to the ancient.

Matt (01:24:28):

Yes.

Joshua (01:24:30):

Such a good job, like I said, the triathic music really swelling and having that big heroic moment like you do in Deep Blue Sea, which is a bit of a spoiler, but before that death happens, I love that. It’s like you don’t expect that at all. Well, you maybe have some idea. Maybe you have idea that, oh, this is maybe the forcefield area we saw earlier with the bird, but you probably forget about that. No,

(01:24:50):

I know. It keeps you on your toes and they keep on surprising you with what’s going to happen next. It’s like you would not think when you first saw this movie or saw a preview or even beginning that anything happens with the ending, this ending would happen from this movie or what they’re really doing for the high stakes of it. You wouldn’t even think that. You just know that something’s aloof and they’re trying to orchestrate these kids’ deaths for some reason, but you’re not sure why. So I love how it keeps on just showing that as it goes along.

Laci (01:25:17):

Hills kind of theme parky, right? They don’t want you to go past a certain … It’s like Jurassic Park. All of this is made to look like the thing it’s supposed to look like, but there are boundaries and we don’t want you to go past what we don’t want you to go past because you’re doing it wrong. You keep your hands and head inside the fucking ride. Get your

Matt (01:25:35):

Arm taken off on Space Mountain.

Laci (01:25:37):

Right. The cleanup on that, fuck. So I did know he was going to crack. I mean, that’s what I expected. What I didn’t expect is the angle because you see him from behind and then they show you from the side and his body just fucking slammed. He comes up- Just crumples onto it. Just the wrong position. He’s dead instantly and then just- It’s

Matt (01:25:56):

Such a good visual touch that it lihts up every time

Laci (01:25:58):

He hits it. Every time he hits it. And so

Matt (01:25:59):

He keeps hitting it on his way down. Great.

Laci (01:26:02):

Yep.

Matt (01:26:03):

Great VFX right there. And Dana at this point is like, “Oh fuck. Marty was right. We are puppets. We have no agency. We have no free will. We are at the whim of whatever forces are out there in the universe, just like the real world guys.” But was Holden?

Laci (01:26:20):

Holden.

Matt (01:26:20):

He’s like, “No, no, we can do it.

Laci (01:26:21):

” He’s got to be the guy. “Oh, stay with me, Jules. Don’t you go … Stay with me, Dana. Don’t you go getting crazy.

Matt (01:26:29):

“He’s like, ” We’ll drive. “And she’s like, ” No, something will stop us. The RV will break down. “He’s like, ” Well, then we’ll get on foot and we’ll keep walking until we can’t walk anymore. “And she’s like, ” Whatever you say, bud. “And then a zombie just stabs him through the neck, gets rid of him.

Laci (01:26:41):

And she goes in the

Joshua (01:26:42):

Wall. They do a heroic moment twice there. It kind of takes away from … It’s not as impactful because we just had it with Chris Hensworth character, but now we get it from this guy and it’s still pretty cool. They’re probably all going to get taken one by one, but you don’t know how. And so

Laci (01:26:56):

It’s still surprising. That works faster than you think though. I love when you think that, oh, these two, they’re going to last till the end because they’re in love and they’re so cute. Yeah, but

Matt (01:27:03):

He sucks. He’s boring. I

Laci (01:27:04):

Disagree. But then when he gets the bear claw thing in the back and I’m like, ” No way. I didn’t expect that. “Then he’s back and then-Because he comes back. It’s like, ” Oh, good. He’s not going to be the one that dies. Even though he did that horrific hanging from the ceiling thing for a minute, oh no, he died. Save him just to kill him again.

Matt (01:27:24):

“And so they crash into the lake and she escapes the lake as the people back at headquarters are celebrating because this is a wrap party at the end of production. They’re like, ” The virgin’s death is optional as long as it’s last. The virgin can live or she can die. Movie audiences, they’re fickle, but yeah, as long as it seems okay.

Laci (01:27:43):

She has to go through enough suffering.

Matt (01:27:45):

I’m actually rooting for … She’s just got some tequila is my lady. We’re switching back and forth. I think the very most impressive thing about the movie is that it can keep you invested in the main horror plot. It serves as effective horror while constantly switching back between these perspectives and you’re enjoying both of them simultaneously on two separate tracks.

Laci (01:28:11):

It’s like if you could make the evil doers in squid games be really likable. It’s like we’re switching back and forth between the people playing the game and the people controlling the game, but we’re enjoying each of them. I get why they’re doing what they’re doing. I understand how you can end up in a system like that. How do people become a Nazi? It just fucking becomes your job one fucking day, I think. But

Matt (01:28:34):

Especially because they have their own very distinct tones, but they still feel like they belong in the same movie.

Laci (01:28:40):

Yes.

Matt (01:28:41):

Especially for a guy who’d never directed before.

Laci (01:28:43):

It’s very impressive. I mean, you’re clearly rooting for one side over the other one, but just to be able to see the humanity and get as much … It’s nice when the bad guy’s not like the bad guy.

Matt (01:28:54):

I never root for anyone in movies.

Laci (01:28:56):

Oh, well, that’s because you’re an idiot heartless piece of shit.

Matt (01:28:58):

I know, I know. I think because I know I’m unusual.

Laci (01:29:01):

No, it’s just like you in football.You’re like, “I don’t care who wins. I just want a good game.”

Matt (01:29:04):

I’m not Roblo.

Laci (01:29:05):

I’m sorry. I’m sorry. I’m sorry. Tell me what this sounds like. “I don’t care who wins. I just want it to be a good game. I don’t care who dies. I just want it to be a good movie. “How is that any fucking different?

Matt (01:29:15):

Well, one’s a fictional thing. Well, no, they’re the same thing. If I’m sitting down to watch the Super Bowl, who do you want to win? And I say,” I just want it to be a good game. “I want this to be interesting for as long as possible. You

Joshua (01:29:29):

Don’t root for the victims or the final girl and usually in the movies. You don’t want

Laci (01:29:32):

Them to- It’s the same thing. All

Matt (01:29:35):

Right. I admit it. No, I don’t think I do like other people do. I’m just- I don’t

Laci (01:29:40):

Think I like other people. Cut.

Matt (01:29:43):

Because

Joshua (01:29:43):

I have a problem with sometimes when they’re all bad guys, they’re all thieves or whatever and they’re just like Chris- No one

Laci (01:29:48):

To root

Joshua (01:29:48):

For. Yeah. The movie called Play Dirty just came out recently with Mark Wahlberg. They’re all bad people. So I don’t really want them to succeed or not. So I don’t mind them. I’m not invested as much in their characters because I don’t really like any of They’re all kind of unlikeable. Those movies are hard to watch sometimes or to enjoy. I always want someone to root for. I always want decent people to root for if I can.

Laci (01:30:09):

Right. Those movies don’t always land with me either, but then you’ve got movies like the rock movie.

Matt (01:30:18):

Pain and gain?

Laci (01:30:19):

Pain and gain where it’s like they’re all terrible people, but it’s so enjoyable anyway because you see the humanity in each other. Well,

Joshua (01:30:26):

An actor and the writing also can really help those things and try to elevate who you want to root for. Okay. I just saw Roof Man, which Roof Man is a really good movie which just came out. I won’t spoil, but Channing Tatum is a real life based on real life thief. But you like him because he’s a good guy trying to do good things. But really he’s a thief and he’s doing criminal activities. I don’t get mad at a thief. It’s like that thing. Yeah. Well, I mean, who knows who to say did worse or not. I’m not going to give that away, but you still root for him and that’s what you’re supposed to do.

Laci (01:30:59):

I’m not going to root against Aladdin. He’s a lovable thief. He doesn’t have as much stuff in life. Sometimes you got to take it.

Matt (01:31:06):

So over on the dock, Dana is being attacked by more

Laci (01:31:11):

Zombies. In the background, she’s just taken a beaten.

Matt (01:31:13):

As over at the rat party, they’re drinking margaritas and doing karaoke and stuff. But the tech people are like … Richard Jenkins goes up to the technique was like, “You guys gave me a real fight with that old tunnel thing.” And they’re like, “Dude, it’s not our fault. We got a call that came from upstairs about … ” So what is the deal with this? They got a call about not blowing up the tunnel.

Laci (01:31:32):

They didn’t get a call. They

Joshua (01:31:34):

Got interference. I don’t think they did that. They just said they didn’t get a call. They never got the order to blow up the tunnel, which that just shows, again, they’re kind of not great at their job sometimes or things will escape them, which is strange because you think that the tunnel would be exploded at some point.

Laci (01:31:50):

Right. You know when to do that. But I think the tunnel blows when it needs to blow. It’s just that Marty, not Marty. Yeah. Marty had disconnected the mechanism for that to report downstairs. He is the reason it didn’t blow.

Joshua (01:32:07):

Oh, I don’t know.

Laci (01:32:09):

I

Joshua (01:32:09):

Don’t

Laci (01:32:09):

Know. I assure you.

Joshua (01:32:12):

He didn’t disconnect anything except for the cameras or pulled the cameras out.

Laci (01:32:16):

Yes, because as soon as they say upstairs, what upstairs? That’s when they cut to Marty going to get her and showing that he discovered that one area of the underneath. And all the wires are all fucked up. So whoever usually triggers that or can send a signal down, he made it to where that doesn’t happen. That’s why upstairs interfered with it. I’m right.

Matt (01:32:39):

I agreed with everything until you said that last time. You don’t have to rub it in. But I guess that it’s just staged in a confusing way because then the phone rings. So it’s like, oh, we’re getting a call from upstairs is what they’re making it seem

Laci (01:32:53):

Like. They get a call from downstairs. I

Matt (01:32:55):

Know, D, but they said the call came from upstairs, then the phone rings. You put these things together. So then they answer, “Shut the fuck up, everybody.” And they talk on the phone. “Oh God, someone’s still alive. Who is it? Oh, it’s the stoner. The stoner never gets to leave, but now he’s a hero. He’s turning his bong into a weapon. It

Joshua (01:33:11):

Rules. Who’s on that line? Is it the director on that phone? The

Matt (01:33:15):

Director. Sigourney Weaver. Yeah.

Joshua (01:33:16):

So how does she know that he’s still alive?

Matt (01:33:19):

She used her directly. She knows all.

Joshua (01:33:22):

She must see some cameras in some areas that they don’t happen to have.

Laci (01:33:26):

She’s not partying. She’s the last line of defense. She’s got to really make sure it all and see sometimes things do slip because you get the sense from the two guys in the control room, even though they’re great at their job. They’re not in charge because they’re constantly talking about upstairs, little downstairs.

Joshua (01:33:42):

They’re middle management. Corporate just laziness. You think that the demolition team would know that they need to blow this before they’re moving around, but maybe they’re not watching enough as … They’re just waiting for it to be told, but really they should if they good their job, they should really have a foresight to think that, oh, maybe they’re getting away. We need to get this done before that. I don’t know. They’re not really on the ball about that.

Laci (01:34:06):

Honestly, once they’re at the fucking-

Joshua (01:34:08):

They’re passing the buck, that kind of

Laci (01:34:09):

Thing. Yeah. It does seem strange because it’s like that’s your whole demolition. There’s four of you for some reason or three. That’s your whole job for this. You’re blowing up one fucking thing. And also once the teens get, and once the people get to the cabin, then just blow it. They’re not supposed to come back. Why would you even wait? It’s weird that they’re like- Unless they can hear it. Maybe they need to get the call from Kim that Kim, meaning chemical, that they’re sufficiently fucked up enough they will not hear it if you blow it now because it’s not that far away. So I guess you could hear, I don’t fucking know.

Matt (01:34:44):

I love anything when somebody discovers his hidden entrance to a secret world. I love that so much. In a place you wouldn’t expect it. Hey, look, in this grave, there’s a trap door that’ll take us down to hell. Oh, great. Let’s go. Let’s go see. The trap

Laci (01:34:57):

Door to the hell that is corporate America.

Matt (01:35:01):

He explains this elevator. He’s like, ” I don’t know where it’ll take us, but I know that up there, there’s nothing for us up there so let’s just go down. “And so they go down and they start to see all of the horrors of this world. A wolf man, a ballerina with a fucking goblin face or whatever.

Laci (01:35:17):

No, teeth, just tons of teeth.

Matt (01:35:19):

Tons of teeth.

Laci (01:35:20):

Too many.

Matt (01:35:20):

And we see some synabites. We see this pinhead guy.

Laci (01:35:25):

He seems nice. Well,

Matt (01:35:27):

That’s the thing about pinhead. He’s not neither good nor bad. Yo invited him by solving the configuration and he wants to show you such wonderful sights. It’s just that those sights are like your skin’s going to get ripped off and your nipples are going to get just taken off and-

Laci (01:35:45):

Why does he think I want that?

Matt (01:35:46):

Because you’re an explorer of hidden pleasures and pains of the world. You’ve experienced everything that Earth has to offer and so now all that is left is to explore the other realms.

Laci (01:35:55):

You know, that’s nice instead of going the Jeffrey Epstein route, like, ” I’m bored. I have a lot of money. Torture children. “That is nice.

Matt (01:36:02):

It is nice. No, he’s kind of an anti-hero.

Laci (01:36:05):

I like

Matt (01:36:06):

Him. Yeah, this guy who’s the Wiki says his name is Fornicus.

Laci (01:36:10):

The

Matt (01:36:10):

Lord of Bondage and Pain.

Laci (01:36:12):

Stop it.

Matt (01:36:13):

Doug Bradley, who plays Binhead, probably would have done the movie. He’ll do your thing.

Laci (01:36:17):

Just call him.

Matt (01:36:17):

Yeah. But he’s also holding the circular lament configuration thing and this is when Dana realizes they made us choose. They made us choose how we die. The control room’s freaking out because Dana’s still … Or no, because Marty is still alive. Dana can live, but Marty cannot. Got to take him out. Well, all of these super incompetent people at their job fail to do so.

Laci (01:36:39):

Security

Matt (01:36:39):

Guard’s about to shoot him and then gets attacked by a zombie.

Laci (01:36:42):

The whole world failed to be fair. Well,

Matt (01:36:45):

No, this is my

Laci (01:36:46):

Theory. The whole world.

Matt (01:36:47):

Yeah. My theory about the actual world we live in is everyone is bad at their jobs.

Laci (01:36:51):

Everyone. It might be a Monday. You don’t know when it’s going to land. It’s like, oh, Monday.

Matt (01:36:56):

They say it’s the weekend, but everyone is terrible at their jobs. The only person who’s good at his job is Celli Sullenberger, the pilot, for doing what he did. And also those flight attendants on the plane with him. Everyone else terrible

Laci (01:37:10):

At their jobs. Stay down.

Matt (01:37:11):

Stay

Laci (01:37:11):

Down. Head down, stay down. Grace.

Matt (01:37:13):

Laci, you remembered.

Laci (01:37:14):

Yeah, because it meant so much to you. You fucking tear up every time we talk about it.

Matt (01:37:18):

Not this time.

Laci (01:37:19):

Okay. You’re going

Matt (01:37:21):

To be stressed. We hear Sigourney Weaver’s voice now over the loudspeaker.

Laci (01:37:25):

Because it is a rule if you’re in a horror movie and this time you need to have a cameo for Sigorney Weaver.

Matt (01:37:29):

And her voice is in Finding Dory. So I always forget that she’s in this movie. I hear her voice. I’m like, that’s Sigourney Weaver. It must just be her voice. She’s not going to slum it so much to, oh no, she’s on screen.

Laci (01:37:41):

Slumming it.

Matt (01:37:42):

This should have gone down differently. What’s happening to you is part of something bigger, something older than anything known. You’ve seen horrible things. They’re nothing compared to what came before and what lies below. You got to die, kids. Sorry. And they’re like, well, fuck that. They end up behind a security desk with the unleash all the monsters button and they’re like, do we press it? Yeah, let’s press it. Press. All the monsters come out. We get a Pennywise the clown. We get a unicorn that impales a guy with his horn.

Laci (01:38:14):

Who’s choosing

Joshua (01:38:15):

That? This is an amazing scene, one of the best scenes in cinema history, I think, especially horror. And it’s one to rewatch multiple times. When those elevator doors open, there’s like a dozen monsters. They’re all doing their own thing, killing a different soldier and they all shot that in different plates. There’s some great making of on the DVDs.

Laci (01:38:36):

Oh, cool.

Joshua (01:38:37):

Or the radio DVD. Yeah, it’s awesome. I love how they have … They create at least 60 monsters or so and they have a bunch of this in the scene and the last few scenes of the movie as well.

Laci (01:38:48):

And it is interesting that the monsters don’t turn on each other because you’d think something that’s there to kill would just kill whatever, but they all just target a human.

Joshua (01:38:57):

I think it’s like this unspoken thing with the monsters that they have to destroy humans first. Yeah, maybe they have some kind of spell. I don’t know. They don’t go into it. There’s a lot of things you get hypothesized about this world and that’s one of them right there. I

Laci (01:39:10):

Think it’s easy. I think they live in clear boxes and they’re treated like caged animals because that’s what they are. And they see these fucking assholes all the time coming up and down the elevator and they’re like, That’s who I’m killing. As soon as I get out of here, I’m killing that fucking guy.

Joshua (01:39:22):

I do wish at some point, maybe when some of the humans were dead, they got some shots of the monsters fighting each other because they did talk about how they love … Some of this came from being inspired by shirts that say like unicorn versus werewolf or something, how would win, that kind of thing. But they don’t do that in this movie, unfortunately. But maybe this spin off.

Laci (01:39:40):

Maybe spin off just all the monsters fight each

Joshua (01:39:42):

Other. The TV show, let’s get some monsters fighting their monsters, please.

Matt (01:39:45):

I’m just so

Joshua (01:39:45):

Hollywood.

Laci (01:39:46):

Absolutely.

Matt (01:39:46):

No. I’m so grateful that it’s not. None of this is IP. I mean, we’ll just make our own Pennywise. We’ll make our own hell raisers. I’m so glad this isn’t Ready Player One where Jack Torrance is coming out of the elevator holding an ax. Or the big

Laci (01:39:59):

Slutter. I’d

Matt (01:40:00):

Be fine with either of

Joshua (01:40:00):

Them, honestly. But it is cool. They’re kind of original or the kind of spinoffs off of actual monsters.

Laci (01:40:05):

They are archetypes.

Matt (01:40:07):

The

Laci (01:40:07):

Whole movie’s just about archetypes.

Matt (01:40:09):

Right. It’s the difference between the Simpsons and family guy. The Simpsons would do a parody of the Brady Bunch by making up their own Brady Bunch and then Family Guy was like, “We’ll just show the actual Brady Bunch.” You know what I’m

Laci (01:40:20):

Saying? Yeah. You love the Simpsons

Joshua (01:40:22):

Too. Different forms of parody.

Matt (01:40:25):

They go into that chamber that I asked what those objects are and both of you got really mad at me for asking. And then they’re like, look, this is all part of a ritual. They have all of us. They want to see us punished or why? Why do they want to see us punished? And then Sigourney Weaver comes in for being young. She’s the director. She’s the director of the movie, guys.

Laci (01:40:45):

Oh, Matt. Okay.

Matt (01:40:47):

Every culture, it’s different, but it always requires youth because yeah, everybody will always be mad at the youth and I can attest to that. I’m fucking furious at the young people with their TikToks.

Laci (01:40:57):

Their words.

Matt (01:40:58):

And they’re calling me chopped. Shut up.

Laci (01:41:01):

Stop it.

Joshua (01:41:01):

Chopped. Oh,

Laci (01:41:02):

That’s a new one. That’s a brand new word. That’s like a week old and Matt knows it. Why the fuck do you know that?

Joshua (01:41:06):

What does that mean? It just means you’re ugly.

Laci (01:41:09):

You

Joshua (01:41:09):

All

Laci (01:41:09):

Fucked up.

Joshua (01:41:10):

Chopped?

Laci (01:41:11):

Yeah. It just means like you’re …

Joshua (01:41:13):

I’m fascinated by a new slang. I think that’s an exciting thing. Anytime. We have new slang.

Laci (01:41:19):

Something just dropped.

Matt (01:41:20):

So we have the archetypes, the whore. She’s corrupted. She dies first. The athlete, the scholar, the fool, the virgin. I’m not a virgin.

Laci (01:41:27):

We work with what we have.

Matt (01:41:30):

And what if you don’t pull this off? Well, then they rise. And we hear rumblings beneath the ground. The ancient ones are, presumably they’re getting restless. What’s the freaking hold up, man? Come on. Don’t

Laci (01:41:40):

Food. We want food. Food.

Matt (01:41:43):

Basically, Marty, you got to die in the next eight minutes or the world is going to end. And we have the thing, the standoff. Dana pulls the gun on Marty. She’s like, “Well, I don’t want the world to end.” He’s like, “You’d kill me, Dana.” But the fucking wolf man comes in and interrupts things. Anyway.

Joshua (01:41:58):

Why is it you think that she wouldn’t just openly kill Marty? Because there’s so much stakes there. They really try to do it with the soldiers. Why wouldn’t she just tick upon herself to do that when she knows it’s important? It doesn’t need to be done by the virgin. It needs to be done by anybody, right? So why would she allow the director? And eventually that causes the doom of humanity.

Laci (01:42:19):

Yes. It’s really zero fails here.

Joshua (01:42:20):

The

Laci (01:42:21):

Director should should have had a gun and shot up as soon as she’s on.

Matt (01:42:24):

Yeah. Why is she talking

Laci (01:42:26):

To them?

Matt (01:42:27):

I

Laci (01:42:27):

Don’t know.

Matt (01:42:27):

Take away with the machine

Laci (01:42:28):

Gun. Either this is important.shooting

Joshua (01:42:29):

At them. They’ve been trying to kill them the whole time, at least Marty. So why it seems

Matt (01:42:34):

Like

Joshua (01:42:34):

It’s amazing.

Matt (01:42:35):

Because everything in this movie is actually in another movie that’s about appeasing a different set of fictional gods and they’re all like, why is Sigourney Weaver acting like that? Well, we’ve been shooting her with pheromones. She’s not being smart like she normally is. So that’s

Joshua (01:42:49):

Why she- When Sigornon came up on, I was like, I love Sigourney obviously as a genre fan, but it was awesome that she did it and she loved the Werewolves, by the way. She was a big fan of that. Maybe that’s why she did it. But yeah, that was one of the main choices they had. Do you know who else was some of the choices of the director that they were thinking of? It’s got

Laci (01:43:05):

To be like Glen Close.

Matt (01:43:06):

Jamie Lee Curtis.

Joshua (01:43:09):

Jamie Lee Curt is one of the other ones. But they also thought it originally might be a man and they wanted to go with Bruce Campbell

Laci (01:43:14):

Was one of their

Joshua (01:43:14):

Choices.

Laci (01:43:15):

That

Joshua (01:43:15):

Perfect.

Matt (01:43:16):

Yeah. I

Joshua (01:43:17):

Think Sukornibian is awesome.

Matt (01:43:18):

That’d be great.That’s a little too on the nose, Bruce Campbell.

Joshua (01:43:22):

It’s nice to have a woman too, not a subversion.

Matt (01:43:24):

That woman. And Bruce Campbell is just a little too silly. He couldn’t

Joshua (01:43:29):

See that.

Matt (01:43:31):

But I don’t know. They push her down. They push her down. They choose, we’ll let the world end because if this is what it takes for the world to survive, then maybe the world does need to end. And the way that the two actors are playing it, when they sit down, they share a cigarette and she says- That is

Laci (01:43:47):

A joint. Joint.

Matt (01:43:48):

Oh, a joint. Sorry.

Laci (01:43:49):

Fucking square.

Joshua (01:43:49):

This is last joint.

Matt (01:43:51):

She says, “I’m sorry I almost shot you. I don’t think I would have. ” And he’s like, “No, it’s okay.” Their understanding of reality is so broken that they don’t even know what to do with themselves. It is like movie characters having gained awareness they’re in a movie that’s going to end and when the movie’s over they blip out of existence and they’re like, “Do we just do-

Laci (01:44:15):

You want to just be fucking the whole time? What would you do with that time? You just got to kill time.

Matt (01:44:22):

Yes, I know. I’m saying they are acting as if they have so little … Everything is so broken that they do not know what to do with anything. And so they’re just kind of sitting there and waiting for the end to come.

Laci (01:44:33):

That’s what I think.

Joshua (01:44:34):

They accept their fate. So what do you think about this ending after controversial things? I love it. I think it’s an amazing ambitious ending. I’m never … I mean, how many movies can you say that actually end humanity? I can’t think of any other ones.

Matt (01:44:48):

I want every movie to end like this. I said this on our saw episode. I want every movie to end with a giant hand coming out of the earth and ending because every movie, the universe of every movie gets destroyed once the movie’s over and I like that. I think it should be like Porky Pig saying that’s it.

Laci (01:45:03):

And then rip the hole in the wall where he came from. Our cartoon world is gone.

Matt (01:45:08):

Even if you get a sequel, those are not the same people. That’s a different world. That’s its own universe. Matt doesn’t

Laci (01:45:13):

Like the spirit little

Joshua (01:45:15):

Awesome

Laci (01:45:15):

Universe. And their little universes without him.

Matt (01:45:17):

I love this ending. I’ve never forgotten this

Laci (01:45:19):

Ending. I love it. I love it. I feel like it’s one of the only movies I can think of that just goes all the way. He just

Joshua (01:45:25):

Goes for it. Exactly. You just got to appreciate that. I get how you’re … It’s a bittersweet that humanity’s ending, you wish there could be a different way, but this is a horror movie. It’s fine to have a downbeat ending and this is like the ultimate, but still fun. And you didn’t see that coming, at least before this scene or a few scenes before this probably.

Matt (01:45:46):

And this is the movie flopping.This is the audience rejecting the movie.

Laci (01:45:50):

Oh, right. Well, I mean, scratch that. But I mean, it is the most humane way forward to end because even if these two survive and then they know in 365 days, another group of kids are going to be going through this and it’s just like with the squid games, if you survive the squid games, then you have to make it your personality that you’re seeking out a way to end them. But there’s no way to end this. This is just is. This is what the gods need. So you’re living in just a cruel state of existence. So yeah, the most chill thing is to just die.

Matt (01:46:21):

But here, Laci, you said it yourself. What is this movie about? What kind of world do we live in right now? We live in a world where … I don’t even need to say anything. Laci just goes, “I know, man.” Jesus Christ. We live in a world where we’re used to a certain amount of comfort and that comfort is dependent on exploitation and thievery and people living in terrible conditions in other parts of the world we will never meet, but we can’t change that, so we just got to keep going. That’s what this movie is about.

Laci (01:46:48):

Okay.

Matt (01:46:49):

I want a

Laci (01:46:50):

Giant hand

Matt (01:46:50):

To come end this podcast.

Laci (01:46:52):

Fucking swipe it. I’m going to enlarge my hands so that I can do it.

Matt (01:47:15):

I am going to give this a four out of five stars. I like this movie a lot. I think it’s really well directed. I think our conversation has only elevated my appreciation for it. If I have any grievances with it, I think that I don’t find it … I’ve never found the idea that horror movie characters are dumb. That’s never appealed to me because it’s a movie. And also in the real world, people are dumb and don’t make good decisions. If a movie was made about my life, they’d be like, “Why is he doing that? Why is he acting that way? Why did he make that purchase? Why isn’t he saving money?” He’s doing all kinds of dumb things. A rainbow

Laci (01:47:50):

Vacuum.

Matt (01:47:51):

And I don’t know, this might open a giant conversation. I don’t know how much this movie loves horror. It seems kind of made by someone who doesn’t love horror movies.

Laci (01:48:01):

Like scary movie, right? You can’t totally tell their celebrating it.

Joshua (01:48:04):

There’s something cool about it, but they’ve mentioned before it’s a love and a hate letter, but mostly love. They’re big horror fans.

Matt (01:48:10):

They say that. I just don’t know that I feel it in the movie.

Laci (01:48:13):

I don’t know that they appreciate what it is in certain people’s hands. I think they want it to be better and they like it at its best.

Matt (01:48:22):

I would like to know, what’s a great horror movie then? What is it?

Laci (01:48:25):

The Shining.

Joshua (01:48:27):

Were their favorite ones? Yeah. Interesting. Well, they had some influences. I can’t think of who they are right now. Evel Dead was one of the influences and other things like that. But what’s great about this is also not just a horror movie. It’s a sci-fi movie too. And that’s what’s so … Again, changes the game for what it really … It’s a horror comedy. It’s a sci-fi movie and it’s a lot more character development than a lot of other horror movies. So I mean, it’s so good.

Laci (01:48:55):

What do you? Well, five stars. I don’t want anything more out of a movie. I mean, give it to me if you’ve got it. But it’s one of my favorite scary movies. I find it so satisfying and very rewatchable. And it made me want more of it and there isn’t more of it. I settled for the escape room movies and stuff and Happy Death Day and different things where I was like, “Okay, I just need comedy in my horror.” Those are great.

Joshua (01:49:26):

Yeah.

Laci (01:49:26):

Those are good, but they’re not as fulfilling.

Matt (01:49:28):

But that’s another thing that’s special about the movie is that’s it. It’s just one movie. There’s no TV show, there’s no spinoffs, there’s no sprinkles.

Joshua (01:49:36):

Not yet.

Matt (01:49:37):

Not yet. We’ll will it into existence.

Laci (01:49:39):

He’s going to just weed in its-

Joshua (01:49:40):

I’m going to write it, I think.

Matt (01:49:41):

Joshua, what

Joshua (01:49:42):

Do you think? Yeah. So I mean, on Letterbox, they only go up to five stars, which I think it’s fine. It’s good as a general

Laci (01:49:50):

Standard system. It’s standard. Okay, go on.

Joshua (01:49:52):

It’s the standard. But I do have a different rating system. My mind goes to six stars. If it’s really special, it goes to five and a half or six. And this is a six star movie and I don’t get that out hardly ever.

Matt (01:50:02):

This is only the second time on our podcast that you’ve given a movie Six Stars. Well,

Laci (01:50:06):

That’s because he brings the six star movies here. Butterfly Farm.

Joshua (01:50:09):

Butterfly Effect and their load bearing beam in my, of course. That was my first podcast and that is another six star movie. Again, perfect movie. I have only a handful of perfect movies and this is just … I love it even more watching it now. I haven’t watched it in years and it’s so good. I love the layers of it. I love movies with layers and different things. You can see it and the commentary is great too. And you learn different things about it also. So this was made for $30 million that you only made 70 worldwide, so not a huge hit, but still people, it’s a cult classic for sure.

Matt (01:50:41):

I mean, yeah, it doubled its budget and that’s what the standard is. If you double your budget you make, then you’re profitable. And then I’m sure it’s just cleaned up on home video and streaming and everything because people love this movie.This movie has a very lasting legacy. So everybody, if you like the movie, check out Bad Times at the El Royale as well. That’s a really fun movie. Absolutely. With similar vibes, I mean, different genre, but an incredible cast and I would love to just see Drew Goddard make another movie. Just make another movie. Drew, just do

Laci (01:51:12):

It. Yeah, do it.

Matt (01:51:12):

Especially, I love, it’s just non IP, he just came up with an idea in his head and made a movie out of it. That’s great. Love to see

Laci (01:51:19):

It. That

Joshua (01:51:19):

Is- So they wrote stuff in the past before they worked together on Buffy and things like that, but they actually locked themselves in the hotel room and they actually wrote this entire script mostly in about three days, which is unbelievable.

Laci (01:51:35):

Wow. They

Joshua (01:51:35):

Had a couple of passes after that La Palish here and there. But three days for a script, writing all day for three days, that’s amazing from a germ of idea they had years to go.

Matt (01:51:46):

It’s because Drew wouldn’t be allowed to leave. Jaws wouldn’t let him leave and yell at him.

Laci (01:51:50):

Fucking devil’s rejects in there, just where you go. Jeff, look at these. Here’s my brother. I’m going to fuck them.

Matt (01:51:57):

Joshua, tell everybody about where they can find you online.

Joshua (01:52:01):

Yes, please follow me. I have a lot of horror content coming up. I know we’re mid-month in October, but they’re coming now and I’ll be enveiling my awesome top 10 horror franchises I’ve seen so far and also my awesome top 10 horror comedies, original ones. I’ll be doing that soon on cinematic Joshua at TikTok and then rad awesome show on YouTube. I’m planning on doing some live shows also, probably on YouTube, but never done it before and also maybe TikTok soon. A lot of horror content. I’m horror year round though, so come on by and follow up, talk to me.

Matt (01:52:39):

We’re recording this October 16th. I do get the … Mid-December, you get the like, “Man, Christmas is already

Laci (01:52:46):

Over.” I know. That’s how I feel about it. I feel about my birthday.

Joshua (01:52:50):

Well, spooker season is at least two or three months, I think. So on Letterboxd also at Rad Awesome, I have lists of lots of horror franchises already ranked and I also have what I’ve been watching, which is close to around 30 or 40 movies or so now and ranking in my list of what I’ve watched the last two or three months. And I’ll continue doing that all throughout.

Laci (01:53:12):

He’s a walking listicle, ladies and gentlemen.

Matt (01:53:14):

Check

Laci (01:53:15):

It

Matt (01:53:15):

Out, people. In the description, links to cinematic Joshua on TikTok, Instagram, YouTube.

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As for us next week on the podcast feed, December 12th, Friday, December 12th of putting out our episode about Stephen King’s It, The 1990 Made for Television Movie starring Tim Curry as Pennywise, The Dancing Clown. And I encourage you to subscribe to us on YouTube, one week rental, and then all the social media feeds. One week rental is the handle, one numeral one week rental links in the description. But yeah, Twitter, Blue Sky, Instagram, Facebook and TikTok. And go ahead and follow me on TikTok, Matt Sokes nine because in the month of December I’m covering the Rankin Bass Christmas specials, some of the weirder, lesser known ones like A Cricket on the Hearth and The Year Without a Santa Claus, which was the night before Christmas and all the weird Rudolph and Frosty sequels. And also there’s a sequel to The Little Drummer Boy. So yeah, TikTok, Matt Stokes nine to watch those.

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Leave us a review on iTunes. Follow us everywhere. Follow me. Mat Stokes nine on Letterboxd Laci, Load Bearing Laci on Letterboxd. Follow my band role route nine on Spotify, Apple Music, wherever you get your music. Thank everybody. I love you goodbye. Oh shit, that’s

Laci (01:54:21):

Laci’s line. You piece of shit, even motherfucker. Okay, I love you. Goodbye.