The Devil’s Rejects (2005)

Matt (00:00:23):

Hello and welcome to Load Bearing Beams and Movie podcast hosted by a married couple. Me and Laci. I’m Matt.

Laci (00:00:30):

And I’m Laci.

Matt (00:00:31):

Hello, Laci.

Laci (00:00:32):

Oh, hey.

Matt (00:00:32):

Good to see you.

Laci (00:00:33):

Thanks.

Matt (00:00:33):

Good to talk to you. Great. We are doing today the devil’s reject. So Rob, zombie film joint. Rob Zombie joint. Was this your load bearing beams? Laci?

Speaker 3 (00:00:43):

No.

Matt (00:00:44):

Well it wasn’t mine. So could it have been?

Laci (00:00:48):

I don’t know, but I’m frightened.

Matt (00:00:50):

Who are you? I heard a little chuckle. Let’s bring him in from the Fright Mayors podcast. Austin Proctor. He’s digging through the ditches. He’s burning through the witches. Here he is.

Austin (00:01:00):

Thanks for having me on guys. Big fan of the show. So

Matt (00:01:03):

Thank you so much.

Austin (00:01:04):

Longtime listener. First time caller. Very excited to be here.

Matt (00:01:06):

Glad we picked, loved picked up the call. I was like, who is this? And then we picked it up. Austin, tell everybody about your great podcast, Frightmares, and

Laci (00:01:13):

What you have in common with us.

Matt (00:01:15):

What do we have in common

Austin (00:01:16):

Besides loving movies?

Laci (00:01:18):

It’s insignificant. Really. The addition of a lady, I’m just saying.

Austin (00:01:23):

Oh, that’s true. One of those lady podcasts, one of those lady podcasters. I also podcast with my wife. She’s usually on once or twice a month. We are on every major streaming platform, apple Podcasts, you know the rest. If you are into podcasts, we do one horror movie a week. This year we actually have a theme for the entire year where we are going back to 1975 and doing one movie per year until we get to 2025. I’m also watching every Oscar winner for each year, which was a really dumb goal I set for myself because I am not enjoying most of them.

Matt (00:01:59):

So right now your most recent episode is The Shining, the one before that. That was Alien. So you’re in the eighties now and you are in a bad, bad time for Best Picture winners now. There’s never been a great time for Best Picture winners.

Laci (00:02:11):

This is one of Matt’s hot takes. Just in general about the Oscars. Well

Matt (00:02:14):

That everybody agreed. Best Picture always goes to a stinker.

Laci (00:02:18):

Don’t tell me what’s normal.

Matt (00:02:20):

Okay, it’s

Laci (00:02:20):

Not normal. I’m the normie on this

Matt (00:02:21):

Fucking podcast. I came up Idea.

Laci (00:02:23):

Okay,

Matt (00:02:24):

I think it’s gotten a little better recently, but what did you think of ordinary people? What did you think of Kramer versus Kramer?

Austin (00:02:29):

So, okay, so Ordinary people was a snooze fest. I’m sorry. And you’d think it would be still relatable today. It’s about mental health and all that stuff. But snoozer for me, Kramer versus Kramer, I was hating it until the end when it worked out and I was like, alright, I’m a fan of this. And I like the relationship between Dustin Hoffman and his son. It was a nice relationship that blossomed. It was great, but Deer Hunter not that great. There was another one. Wasn’t that great one. Flew Annie Hall. Yeah, not a fan of that one. Flew over the Cuckoo’s Nest and Rocky and we started off great. Those were the first two I watched and I was like, okay, maybe my opinion on the Oscars will change. It has not. It gets worse and worse and worse. So I’m in the thick of it now and I can’t turn back.

Laci (00:03:15):

It’s very cute in that episode of his podcast, because he literally tells you the plot of Rocky as if people

Matt (00:03:23):

Don’t know. I didn’t know the ending to Rocky Discovering Lightning. No, it’s like that movie Creed, you little people probably have seen the movie Creed. It’s like that.

Laci (00:03:32):

I just was funny to hear someone and then he doesn’t even win. Oh my God. Had no

Matt (00:03:39):

Clue until about eight years ago. I don’t remember what changed, but something changed. I would’ve said, Annie Hall’s like my favorite movie of all time. A certain thing happened. You want me to tell you what happened about eight years ago? I was like, hmm, this guy’s movies I can’t say are my favorite anymore.

Laci (00:03:55):

So Molesky ruin them by pointing out that he purposely makes the kissing noises audible in a way that no other movies do. And if you don’t like mouth noises, I don’t like that. Yeah.

Matt (00:04:10):

Nope. Not a fan. Plus he’s always calls it making love. Come on Annie Hall. We’re supposed to be making love, but back to horror.

Laci (00:04:19):

Oh, that’s horrible for me. But yes,

Matt (00:04:22):

Back to horror. Do you have a favorite sub genre or filmmaker or era of horror movies?

Austin (00:04:27):

Sub genre will probably be, and this is most people aren’t fans of Found Footage. I love Found footage. It’s probably because my first theatrical experience with horror was Cloverfield. That’s the first one I remember going to see Found footage, paranormal Love those love. A good slasher favorite director of the modern age would probably be Mike Flanagan and of the eighties. I mean, I don’t want to be basic and say John Carpenter, but I mean the man just didn’t miss in the eighties. So I think I’m going to go carpenter for classic. Yeah, no, there’s a good

Matt (00:05:02):

Reason to go with Carpenter. Yeah, let’s

Laci (00:05:05):

Not call it basic. Let’s call it fundamental.

Matt (00:05:08):

That’s perfect, Laci. That’s perfect. And I kind of think, when I look at a movie like the Devil’s rejects, I think the ideal execution of a movie like this, I think would be done by John Carpenter because he can handle the violence, the gore, the social commentary. But I think, I don’t want to spoil what it is, I think about this movie, but I think it would just be a little more fun from Carpenter. Okay. Okay.

Speaker 3 (00:05:31):

Spice it.

Matt (00:05:32):

But wait, but wait. Speaking of found footage, you interviewed the co-director of the Blair Witch Project. Did you not?

Austin (00:05:38):

I did. We had him on in November for the Blair Witch, and actually he’s coming back, I don’t know when this will be released, but he’s coming back in at the end of this month, February, to talk about Exist, which is his Bigfoot found footage movie. If you’ve never seen that, highly recommend.

Matt (00:05:55):

That sounds fun as hell. Yeah. If I had to pick what’s the best found footage movie? It’s a A fundamental answer. I would just say the Blair Witch Project. Yeah.

Austin (00:06:02):

Grant

Matt (00:06:03):

Movie. We did it on the podcast two years ago.

Laci (00:06:05):

Yes. Remind me how old you are.

Austin (00:06:07):

I’m 34, so born in 1990,

Laci (00:06:10):

So not too far off, but I was in high school, I think right when the Blair Witch Project came out.

Speaker 3 (00:06:15):

So

Laci (00:06:15):

I was the core demographic for, I thought it was real. So that was the coolest way to go to the theater and see it. And I was PR too.

Matt (00:06:25):

Well, I was too, but I was at an age where I heard that it’s real and I remember thinking, I will never in a billion years see that movie. That looks way too spooky.

Laci (00:06:35):

And then once you were 24, got your

Matt (00:06:37):

Mom. No, I watched

Laci (00:06:37):

A few

Matt (00:06:38):

Years later. Your mom. I’ve never found it very scary, but it’s just so great. It’s just a great movie.

Laci (00:06:42):

It’s fucking scary. Just being wet and outdoors. Well,

Matt (00:06:46):

That’s true. I don’t want to be either of those things.

Laci (00:06:48):

Well, it takes what’s uncomfortable about nature and about admitting when you’re lost or admitting when there’s a point of no return that you need to blame people because everyone kind of fucked up. It is more like an investigation of how people break down when you take away their stuff.

Matt (00:07:05):

Oh yeah. They turn on each other very fast. And that’s what I found so realistic is don’t talk to me like that. You don’t tell me what I know. I’m wet

Laci (00:07:13):

And not in the right way.

Matt (00:07:15):

And there was not in a fun way such an alchemy to when they made it because they made the 2016 Blair Witch movie, which is also found footage, but now cameras are so great that their found footage is just in 4K, super high resolution. I’m like, this just looks like a movie.

Austin (00:07:32):

And it’s basically the same story, just updated and instead of not showing really anything in the 20 16 1, they show you everything probably a little too much, too much. But I think they did that for, and they got a lot of pushback from the studio on what they wanted from Adam. So yeah, it’s one of those where the studio got in the way and they showed way too much.

Matt (00:07:53):

I do kind of like that movie, but that’s my big takeaway is you just lose some of the magic with this being shot on such high quality cameras, even though these are the kinds of cameras people will be wandering around with. But let’s talk a little bit about Rob Zombie and the Devil’s rejects, which you brought to our attention. So tell us why you picked this movie and what your history is with Rob Zombie.

Austin (00:08:16):

Oh man. So I remember when we had initially talked about doing a collaboration, you were like, pick a movie. And I’m like, oh God, I don’t even know where to start. So I picked I think 10 or 12 and I’m like, here you go. You decide from this. So hard for me to just narrow it down to one. And I remember you guys saying The Devil’s rejects because I think something about you guys had watched it a while ago and weren’t fans and wanted to revisit something along those lines. And I was excited because I talked about this one on my podcast a couple years ago, but it had been a while. But my history with Rob Zombie, I didn’t see House of a Thousand Corpses or this first, I’m pretty sure the first Rob Zombie movie I saw was Halloween 2007. And that was in theaters because I was working at the theater at the time. So once I saw that, then I kind of went backwards in his filmography and started watching stuff. That was prior to 2007. And I can’t explain why I like such vile movies. I do have some theories as to why that we’ll probably get into later. But just something about his aesthetic and the characters that he creates. I don’t know. I found myself weirdly rooting for them when you really shouldn’t be rooting for these people.

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They’re just not good people. And then pretty much followed his career since 2007, and there’s really not a movie he’s put out that I’m not, I mean, 31 I think is the only one that I’m like eh about. But I’m a rob zombie defender. I’m one of those people that will defend him because I enjoy what he does. It’s gritty, it’s raw. It’s something that you don’t see in film a lot. Usually you go to a movie to escape normal life and watch fantasy or whatever it is. But he brings kind of a realist side of this is probably shit that happens out there somewhere in the world. And I just don’t think people want to go to the movies and see such atrocious things. But here I am defending this man.

Matt (00:10:09):

Well, I picked this movie because I had never seen it and I don’t think Laci has seen it. You had Yeah. Oh, okay.

Laci (00:10:14):

To, I realized halfway through that this is the one and only movie I’d seen of his and why I’d never watched another one,

Matt (00:10:20):

But it’s just,

Laci (00:10:22):

I was 19. I mean, I was young. His

Matt (00:10:24):

Filmography is a sort of a blind spot for me as a horror fan other than his Halloween movies, which I don’t really like. That’s

Austin (00:10:33):

Fair.

Matt (00:10:35):

I saw his Halloween in theaters twice for some reason. Oh, my dad has weirdly always been, my dad doesn’t keep up with modern movies, but anytime a Halloween movie comes out, he’s like, Matt, you’re going to sue that. I’m going to come. And then he falls asleep two minutes into the movie, but it was just like a Halloween movie was coming out. So I went and saw it with him. And I think I like his Halloween two better because it feels like way more his own thing. But I didn’t really know what is the Robs of thing other than Gore, other than hardcore being a fan of his music when I was younger, which I mean, I had hell, Billy Deluxe, it was a giant, I had it on CD from 98 to 2001. He was kind of omnipresent on MTV and all the music channels. And I listened to that album a lot and I loved the horror movie aesthetic of that album and of his music videos. But until a few days ago, I had only ever seen his Halloween movies. Now I’ve seen this in Lords of Salem. What about you, Laci?

Laci (00:11:36):

So I think I’m pretty sure this is the only one, unless I watched on accident. How long H2O? That’s not,

Speaker 3 (00:11:44):

That’s not him,

Laci (00:11:45):

Thank God. Okay. But I always had great affection for him the same way I do for Marilyn Manson and Dennis Rodman. And I just love the spectacle of the Maximus approach to just fucking life. I love how much he’s doing. And what I like in Rob Zombie is what I like in Alice Cooper. And that I can tell there’s a man behind that is a mask to me. Marilyn Manson probably because I read the book way too many fucking times. I know that that’s just how that guy is. But for Rob Zombie, I’m like, he wants to hug me. That’s a sweetheart. He’s a scary sweetheart and I love that every day’s Halloween for him, but he’ll give me a Coke if I need it.

Matt (00:12:28):

He said he wanted to, as a kid, he wanted to be a combination of Alice Cooper, Steven Spielberg and Stan Lee. Those were his big

Laci (00:12:35):

Threes. Okay. He achieved one. No, I’m kidding. I mean, I like his directing style, which is weird. We’ll get into it, but I can tell I’m watching something that’s being directed well and still be very uncomfortable to the point of do I ever watch this again? So I have appreciation for his craft. He’s a very creative person.

Matt (00:12:59):

What about his music? Both of you? Were you fans of his music?

Laci (00:13:02):

There’s not a ton of it, but what I heard I liked and his music videos particularly.

Austin (00:13:07):

Yeah, music videos were great. I always saw those on MTV. I didn’t really grow up. I saw him on MTV more as a kid, and then when I got older I got more into his stuff. But yeah, there’s not too much out there. But what I have heard, I do enjoy. It’s definitely my speed. I

Matt (00:13:23):

Had hell Billy Deluxe on cd and I remembered, I just now remember because I’m looking at the image on my screen. I had the edited version that I got from Walmart or whatever, but the only thing that was edited, it was not in the music. It’s just the cover art. And the only difference is there’s no pentagram

Speaker 3 (00:13:40):

On the

Matt (00:13:40):

Edited version. Such a heavy lip for the graphic designer there is one on the real album. Wow. Yeah. So what I really, really appreciate, you can feel the love for the genre and for just movies in general. And I think like Quentin Tarantino, who also,

Laci (00:13:59):

I kept

Matt (00:14:00):

An omnivore for all of this stuff and makes movies that are sort of pastiches of movies that he loves because you watch Devil’s Rejects and you’re like, yeah, so this is Texas Chainsaw Massacre meets Bonnie and Clyde or The Wild Bunch or something. You hope that it can become, it can rise above just me paying tribute to the things that I love. What he does that Quint Tarantino also does is goes and gets the people who were in those movies

Speaker 3 (00:14:23):

And

Matt (00:14:23):

Gives them work now. So Ken Foray is in this movie, and PJ Souls

Speaker 3 (00:14:27):

Obviously Bill

Laci (00:14:28):

Moley

Matt (00:14:28):

And Bill Moley. Yeah. And I just love that it’s not just that he loves the genre, he knows these things are made by people.

Laci (00:14:35):

He’s not trying to put gloss on top of and use tricks that people who were not as well funded had to use to get really good, which is what he’s really paying homage to, and then putting expensive actors on top. He’s actually playing with the same tools that they had.

Matt (00:14:52):

And the thing you love about directors Laci, is when you find out he has a company of actors who come with him to each movie, not just his wife because

Laci (00:14:59):

He’s a nice man, because he’s a good boss. I love it.

Matt (00:15:04):

I’m here for it.

Laci (00:15:05):

I like it when he is sweet.

Matt (00:15:09):

Yeah. So I watched Lords of Salem, which I had heard is his best movie. I’d heard from some film people that I trust that that’s his best movie, and I really, really enjoyed it. But it can also, I think that that movie could never have been a hit. It is just way too moody and kind of light on plot. But that’s exactly what I like. I like a mood piece. I like to see a lot of surreal imagery. I like a trippy movie. And I thought there was just so much craft in that movie, this one. I’d say I like it and I see what he’s going for. But I think that what is ultimately missing from this movie, that it’s

Laci (00:15:44):

Heart,

Matt (00:15:45):

Well, not Heart, I can see very much a commentary on violence in America and people sort of rejecting American bourgeois values. And then you have the cop who’s chasing them, who turns out is probably more evil than they are. And so maybe at a time a movie made during the War on Terror, we’re all feeling like there’s no morality anywhere in the world. But what it’s missing is me rooting for anybody.

Laci (00:16:13):

And that’s all. I mean.

Matt (00:16:14):

But you said Austin, that you are rooting for the family. I find them too annoying to root for.

Laci (00:16:19):

They aren’t funny. They aggravate each other. What pulls it together? What gives me the, now that I know where the movie was going, I could watch it a second time and relax and enjoy it. But once they get to the most uncomfortable spot with the hotel room stuff, I don’t trust it. I’m like, I’m barely holding onto my sanity right now. Where’s this fucking going? And then all of a sudden it relaxes and then I like it anyway. What works for me is baby and daddy, they’re the relationship I buy. But then you get to fucking, was it Copper was a Potter, Otis Cutter is Daddy is the dad. Otis Cut Cutters. Otis just fucking hates everybody. He’s the one that’s even in the misfits. He misfits. So he makes everyone cranky. I need Otis to calm down.

Austin (00:17:13):

So you’re not a fan of Otis, but you enjoy Baby and Well, captain Spalding, cutter, whatever you want to call ’em.

Laci (00:17:19):

The way they interact, I’m buying their world. They seem to be having fun together and they seem to be like to impress each other and stuff. And I’m buying what keeps them bonded. But with the brother, I think everyone’s scared of him and kind of trying to up their auntie so that he doesn’t turn on them. That’s my read.

Austin (00:17:40):

Interesting. Okay. I think my affinity for Bill Moseley might be

(00:17:45):

What sways me to like him so much, just because I am a fan of him and TCM two where he plays Chop Top. I love that role. I’m a fan of him in basically everything that he is in. So that might be why I think I like his character so much and because I think this performance of Otis from Bill Moseley is just top tier, even though he is kind of a curmudgeon, he does seem like he hates every single person, but he just convinces the hell out of me that he is this person in real life. For sure. And if you can give that kind of performance just, I don’t know. I think this is my favorite role that he has been in any movie, which might be saying, I don’t know. I don’t know what that says about me. But yeah, I think his performance is great and I love how much of a curmudgeon and kind of an asshole he is, which is weird. Again, you’re not supposed to these people and it’s hard for me to explain why I am like, yeah, go do evil things. Maybe that’s just those intrusive thoughts. I don’t know.

Matt (00:18:40):

The family in Texas, Jane saw too and him as Chopped Top,

Laci (00:18:43):

Which I love.

Matt (00:18:44):

Yeah, they’re similarly evil, but I have so much affection for them and part of it is I think it’s just a joy and performance

Laci (00:18:52):

And a vulnerability.

Matt (00:18:53):

Yeah, vulnerability. They are

Laci (00:18:55):

Vulnerable.

Matt (00:18:56):

I admire Rob Zombie before being so unapologetic about how evil these people are. There’s never a moment where it’s like, well, they’re doing this because they’re not like noble gangsters. They will kill innocent people. They want to kill innocent

Laci (00:19:08):

People. There’s no reason behind it either. They’re just like, we just like this.

Matt (00:19:11):

No ideology whatsoever.

Laci (00:19:13):

And like TCM two, they turn a law abiding law enforcement person into a complete psychopath. So I like the arc of the Cop

Austin (00:19:29):

Del.

Laci (00:19:30):

Yes. But okay, we should just get into it because fuck.

Austin (00:19:35):

Okay,

Matt (00:20:04):

Well, let’s just talk about Rob Zombie briefly. The man born Robert Cummings.

Speaker 3 (00:20:09):

Oh, why’d you change

Laci (00:20:11):

That?

Matt (00:20:12):

And Laci, he’s five foot 10. Thank.

Laci (00:20:15):

Really?

Matt (00:20:15):

Yeah. I thought he was at least thought he taller.

Laci (00:20:18):

Did you know that Mr. Proctor here is six foot six? What? You don’t tall? I need a scale by you.

Matt (00:20:26):

Do people call you tiny?

Austin (00:20:28):

Yeah. Right. So this right here, this standee is about six feet tall. So I’ll just go ahead and stand up here. You can see

Laci (00:20:35):

That’s fucking crazy because you

Austin (00:20:37):

Don’t Oh, my devil’s reject

Laci (00:20:38):

Shirt. Oh, look there. And I’m wearing the kind of reject who you can love.

Austin (00:20:45):

No shade. Fair enough. We’re all shade. Fair enough. No, no shade taken. None at all.

Matt (00:20:50):

Grew up in Haverhill, Massachusetts, outside of Boston near Salem. And he said in a 2014 interview with flashback files.com, link in the description. Here’s something he said about his upbringing, quote. I think growing up as a kid, the question was like, how’d you get into all the shit you’re into you weirdo? And he said, I think growing up as a kid, I lived on the East Coast in an old New England town that looked like Sleepy Hollow, where there were lots of old cemeteries. So there was that look about everything. Also in the late sixties, there was a big boom of horror on television because that’s where I saw everything. All the old Hammer films were on the old Universal films. There were TV shows like The Monsters, the Adams Family, and The Twilight Zone. There was so much horror stuff. I think that all influenced me. Oh, his most recent movie was The Monsters. He made a remake of The Monsters. Oh, I would check that out. Also became obsessed with both heavy metal and punk rock. And he said, punk rock taught him, you can just do it yourself,

Laci (00:21:49):

Which

Matt (00:21:49):

Is the whole idea

Laci (00:21:50):

DY.

Matt (00:21:50):

The whole idea of punk rock is that it’s DIY. You only need three chords. You don’t even need to be good at guitar.

Laci (00:21:55):

But so is a horror films. I mean, so many people who are making their first film, they start with horror because that is the thing. You can get visuals and be as practical. You can do a lot if all you’re trying to do is scare

Matt (00:22:08):

And there’s always an audience for it,

Laci (00:22:11):

And it’s light on dialogue. You can want to make film, but it doesn’t make you a good writer. I’d say good writing’s probably one of the harder parts.

Matt (00:22:21):

I disagree. Fuck off.

Laci (00:22:23):

That’s because you’re a writer

Matt (00:22:26):

Snob. I think writing is overrated. So I do. Anyway, he moved to New York for college, attended the Parson School of Design, became a production assistant on, excuse me, PeeWee’s Playhouse. What?

Laci (00:22:40):

He did the same thing that everyone on Project Runway does get.

Matt (00:22:43):

Parson School of Design. That’s a real thing.

Laci (00:22:45):

Queen. Yes. It’s where all the big designers go. But PT was, he was probably one of the only straight people there.

Matt (00:22:51):

I assumed it was like art design and graphic design and stuff.

Laci (00:22:55):

Yes, but no.

Matt (00:22:56):

Okay, interesting. It was at this time while working on PeeWee’s Playhouse, he met

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A lady named Sean Olt in 1985. And they started dating and they formed a band together, white Zombie, which was named after the 1932 Bella Lago movie that is thought to be the original zombie movie. She was the bassist. He was the singer. They rotated guitarists and drummers for a long time before they eventually settled down onto a lineup and got signed to a major label in 1992. Had a big hit single in music video in Thunder Kiss 65 in 93, I believe that was. Then they broke. I mean, Rob Zombie and the bassist, they broke up, but they kept working together. They had another big hit album in 95 with the hit single more human than Human.

Laci (00:23:40):

Does he only date people and marry people that look like this?

Matt (00:23:43):

I think so. Yeah.

Laci (00:23:43):

Okay.

Matt (00:23:44):

And 1996, he changes his name legally to Rob Zombie, and then he launches his solo career, his album. Hell, Billy Deluxe instantly sells way better than White Zombie. So White Zombie breaks up, and obviously that album was a big hit, had big hits like Dula and Living Dead Girl, and I was 12 and 13 in this glorious era of new metal. So this was a big staple for me.

Austin (00:24:10):

Yeah. I miss New Metal. Good. That era was so great for music, and I miss it dearly. I

Matt (00:24:17):

Love new metal. I’d host a new metal podcast. You could be on it if you want, or maybe we can put

Austin (00:24:22):

Together. Let’s do it. So about that,

Matt (00:24:26):

A thing I’ve been desperate to do is I want to get somebody, I want to play this game where we just play the first 15 seconds of a new metal song or just any bad radio rock song from that era. And see, can you tell me what this is? Oh my God. And how deep can we go?

Austin (00:24:40):

Okay. I

Laci (00:24:42):

Like this idea.

Matt (00:24:43):

No, I know nobody would like it but me.

Laci (00:24:44):

I mean, I’ll support you. Thank

Matt (00:24:46):

You.

Laci (00:24:46):

You’re welcome.

Matt (00:24:47):

So he began a production on his first feature film House of a thousand Corpses in 2000. And this came together when he was hired by Universal Studios to design an attraction for their Halloween horror nights. Yes. Laci

Laci (00:24:59):

Question. Is there a scene in a house of a thousand corpses where someone has to lay in a bathtub with dead parts or a dead person and is under a dead person? It’s a bathtub full of parts is my memory.

Austin (00:25:12):

I just watched this last night and I’m already blanking. I know there’s a room with a bunch of dead bodies, but I don’t think it’s specifically a bathtub. I could be entirely wrong though.

Laci (00:25:20):

Does someone hide under a dead body?

Austin (00:25:23):

Yes.

Laci (00:25:24):

Then that’s it. Okay. I’ve seen it. Okay. I can’t believe I’ve seen two.

Matt (00:25:29):

So he designs this haunted house and calls it House of a Thousand Corpses and Universal is very excited about it. So he goes and meets with their movie department, and he pitches a movie based on the idea, and they get really excited. So they greenlight, it gets a budget of about $10 million, but once the movie gets an NC 17 release, universal pulls it from the release schedule and they just sit on it and it goes unreleased for years. Rob Zombie eventually has to just buy the movie back from them. And then he sold it to Lionsgate. It came out in 2003. Let’s see. It made 21 million at the, or no, it made its budget back basically right away. So I think something like Terra, the Terrifi movies now, they’re not Marvel level blockbusters, but they make their money and they have a very, very devoted fan base. And so right away Lens Gate’s like, we want another one, make another one.

Laci (00:26:18):

It’s like every kid that was obsessed with Faces of Death went through this over and over and over. That’s what it just seems like Faces of Death. Am I saying the right thing? The one where real people are getting hurt.

Austin (00:26:29):

Faces of Death. Yeah.

Laci (00:26:30):

Yeah. Faces of Death. It’s like anyone that was obsessed with that went to see this because it’s the closest thing. That’s how I remember the kids who saw this movie,

Matt (00:26:39):

Never had any curiosity to see it at the time, but I was like, I became a movie snob in high school, but I was very much like, there’s the cannon of serious movies and we’re not going to go see.

Laci (00:26:50):

Right. You didn’t get into horror until you stopped

Matt (00:26:54):

Jerking

Laci (00:26:54):

Your own being

Matt (00:26:55):

That way. Yes.

Austin (00:26:56):

It’s nice to know I’m not the only person that went through that snobby phase too. Yeah. I went through this phase where if I was watching a new movie probably in my late twenties where I was like, if this doesn’t hook me in 30 minutes, I’m turning it off. That is a very weird way to live. And I missed out on a lot of good shit until I finally realized that’s terrible to do with movies.

Laci (00:27:16):

That actually at least is a process. Matt’s process was that, how did Cisco and or Ebert

Matt (00:27:21):

Feel? No, just Ebert. That was pretty

Laci (00:27:23):

Much okay. Just Ebert.

Matt (00:27:24):

No. And the most basic film critic to the most famous film critic in the world. It’s like, if he likes it, I like it. But I would do this annoying thing with horror movies where it’s like there are important horror movies, which basically means anything in a series. The first Halloween’s good, but the rest must be garbage. But the sequels in all these franchises are great. I mean,

Laci (00:27:45):

It’s settling into the vibe that makes them not necessarily the same

Matt (00:27:47):

Way.

Laci (00:27:47):

Right,

Matt (00:27:48):

Right. Okay. But there’s joy to be had. So yeah, he worked on his follow-up The Devil’s Rejects, which is a sequel to House of a Thousand Corpses, and we should have watched a House of a thousand corpses. And I started to, and then I got very tired.

Laci (00:28:02):

Did you get tired or did you get sad?

Matt (00:28:04):

No, it hadn’t gotten to a place where I was sad yet. In fact, I liked The Vibes. It’s like, oh, I love a freak show. I love a carnival. I love a scary clown.

Laci (00:28:10):

I do love all those things.

Matt (00:28:12):

So Austin, I mean, can you tell me about the relationship between these two movies?

Austin (00:28:16):

Yes. So you’ve already, I mean, I should have known because you do so much research for the podcast, but that’s something I was going to mention is how he started out doing a haunted house, then it went to a movie, and then it got shelved. But the relation between, and it’s besides the fact that it’s the same characters, there’s a big relation and that there’s a cop in the first movie house for thousand corpses. I can’t remember. He’s a Yade and he gets killed in that movie, George. George

Laci (00:28:42):

Del. Okay. The bald guy. Okay.

Austin (00:28:43):

Yeah. But then in Devil’s Rejects, it’s his brother. And because his brother got killed in the first movie, now his brother, whatever Yade in house of Devil’s rejects is he’s coming to get vengeance on the family for killing his brother. So that’s the connection between the two movies. And again, other than the family being the same except Mother Firefly changed actresses because the original one wanted to way too much money, so they had to find somebody else. So that’s the big connection between the first two movies. And they take place a year apart. So House of a Thousand Corpses is 1977. This one is 1978.

Matt (00:29:20):

So I get a few minutes into the Devil’s Rejects and I realized, oh, I thought this was a horror movie. This is an action movie. It starts off with a gun shootout. I’m like, blah, blah. Guns and horror. No, no, no.

Laci (00:29:32):

Did you not see all the bodies and then the fucking Otis sleeping with a dead person? Well,

Matt (00:29:37):

Yeah, that’s horror imagery. But you

Laci (00:29:39):

Didn’t see

Matt (00:29:39):

That. I would not say this is a horror movie. Is the first one more of a horror movie.

Austin (00:29:46):

It’s so much more of a Texas chainsaw movie. I mean, this one still vibes like that, I think because it is set in the seventies and it’s gritty. But the first one, you have a bunch of people coming to his house of attractions and they do the little ride there, and then they go down the road and end up meeting some more of the family that they don’t really know is related. And then they have a dinner scene just like TCM. So it’s very much vibes, more like TCM than it does anything else. And again, the cast of characters are very reminiscent of characters from Texas Chance on Massacre.

Laci (00:30:22):

You’re making me realize something. It does kind of feel like maybe we need more things from the perspective of the victims for it to feel horror. Because if they’re the ones in control, it’s not, the horror part is when they’re in the hotel for me and the rest is not horror, even if they’re horrific. I’m not scared,

Austin (00:30:44):

Honestly. It’s listed as a Western too on IMDB, and I can totally get that vibe there is Rebel Black. But honestly, I consider Devil’s rejects much more of a crime kind of drama than anything. There are horrific moments, but I think House of a Thousand Corpses definitely. I mean, they have a character in that called Dr. Satan, and it is literally the stuff of he’s experimenting on people and doing all this shit. So I would say yes, house of a Thousand Corpses, probably vibes much more like a horror movie. It is also just listed as a straight horror movie on imdb. I know that’s not the end all be all with stuff, but I typically take what they have to say.

Laci (00:31:21):

Yeah, this one is a horror drama. So I mean, I did take note that this is, they bothered giving it to genres.

Matt (00:31:29):

Yes. I was wondering if it was sort of an alien to Aliens thing where you go from horror to just straightforward action with the sequel,

Austin (00:31:36):

It kind of is. It’s really more of a, because House of a Thousand corpses introduces all the characters and their insanity. This one is so much more of a case study on these characters and he really fleshes them out and kind of gives you more about them and more of their backstory and all that stuff. So yeah. Is it a horror movie? Sure. But it’s not really focused on horror. I’d say it’s much more drama and crime before it is a horror movie.

Matt (00:32:03):

But I was definitely thinking of it as a western, I mean as a neo western set in the seventies, but they could be, they are like a gang of outlaws. And it even ends with them in a shootout with the law enforcement.

Laci (00:32:14):

There’s a saloon town for God’s

Matt (00:32:15):

Sake. Yes, there is. I think that’s deliberate. And he said he was inspired by the Wild Bunch, which I watched a lot of last night

(00:32:22):

And just noticing Constant, and it’s so, there’s so many new Hollywood references with the wipes, the Zooms, the handheld camera. Okay. So Devil’s Rejects Makes Good Money at the Box Office, gets better reviews than his first movie. He follows this up with Halloween, a big hit for him, his biggest mainstream hit. And then Halloween two not as big of a hit, but I think of it as a flop. But no, it still made money. He made $40 million on a $15 million budget that he made Lords of Salem in 20 13, 31 in 20 16, 3 from hell in 2019, and then the Monsters in 2022. And that’s the career of Rob Zombie,

Laci (00:32:59):

Everybody. All right. He short and sweetened on all the aspects.

Matt (00:33:02):

There you go. And I was watching some videos of him performing in 2024 performing a concert, and I thought I would love to go to a Rob Zombie concert. It looks like so much fun. His stage production is so great. He has, he’s like a giant guy in a robot costume dancing on stage. It’s like Disney World level production.

Laci (00:33:21):

It’s ruining for me how much I wish. I didn’t know how short he was.

Austin (00:33:24):

Oh, it’s really ruining for him. Sorry, I really thought he was over six foot too. I mean, that’s how,

Laci (00:33:31):

That’s How’s the aura?

Austin (00:33:33):

What have you seen him

Matt (00:33:34):

In?

Laci (00:33:34):

Nothing. My dream can a picture of me doing this, not this.

Matt (00:34:15):

All right. So this movie folks, it opens with some blues, guitar and a scrapbook of murderers.

Laci (00:34:22):

I like that she scrapbooks

Matt (00:34:24):

And she is a scrapbooker. Got to have your hobbies just like my mother has.

Laci (00:34:29):

And your mom is in this movie.

Matt (00:34:31):

Got to keep. Oh, she is. You said, Hey, that looks like your mom

Laci (00:34:33):

Does look like the nurse that pulls over and gets her car stolen and dies. It looks just like Matt’s mom.

Matt (00:34:40):

So I mean, right away onscreen text and narration is explaining it. So it’s like right away you’re like, oh, this is just Texas Chainsaw Massacre. And they’re explaining like, oh, the local authorities are looking for a group known as the Devil’s Rejects.

Laci (00:34:58):

They’re like the sticky Bandits, like quit spray painting your name everywhere. Quit writing in blood every time you kill somebody. The devil’s rejects Were here. Stop it.

Matt (00:35:08):

Although Austin said it’s been a year since the first movie. What was taking the cops so long? Hey, I bet it was those freaks who live in that house funding and they needed the money.

Austin (00:35:18):

I’m assuming that they move locations because in the first one they are in a different location. So maybe it got too hot there

Matt (00:35:25):

And

Austin (00:35:25):

They decided to move. And then the Sheriff Wadel was just tracking them down.

Matt (00:35:30):

So it’s not that house in the first one. That’s not the house of a thousand corpses.

Austin (00:35:34):

It is not, no. That’s like the Firefly Ranch. That’s what they call it.

Laci (00:35:38):

Those are like a baker’s dozen of corpses. Not a thousand.

Matt (00:35:42):

Yeah. I just thought maybe it was a slow day. I don’t know. So we see this dead, naked body being pulled through the woods by a giant man wearing a bag over his head, like Jason in Friday of the 13th two. Then he pulls off his mask when he sees cops,

Laci (00:35:56):

He’s much more leather face, but go on.

Matt (00:35:58):

But he’s wearing a bag like Jason in Friday the 13th, part two.

Laci (00:36:01):

You’re a bag.

Matt (00:36:03):

I’m a bag.

Laci (00:36:04):

I got

Matt (00:36:04):

You. He sees that cops are descending on his house. And this is tiny. We will find out. Tiny Firefly played by,

Laci (00:36:12):

Oh, that’s the joke you made earlier to Austin.

Matt (00:36:15):

Yes. Played by Matthew McGrory, who was the Guinness Book of World records holder for tallest actor ever. And he died the year this movie came out at age 32.

Laci (00:36:25):

But

Matt (00:36:26):

He was also in

Laci (00:36:27):

Tism.

Matt (00:36:27):

Yes, he was in Tim Burton’s big Fish. Yeah, he was from that.

Laci (00:36:32):

I remember him from talk shows, Sally, Jesse, Raphael.

Matt (00:36:35):

We go into the house and we see this family, Otis sleeping cuddled with a dead, naked body. Bill Moseley playing Otis. We love Bill Moseley on our Texas Chainsaw Massacre two episode. We were celebrating all of that movie, but we loved that performance as Chop Top, just such a special performance. Loved it. Sherry Moon Zombie, how did she get this role? She’s playing baby.

Laci (00:36:59):

I don’t know. She must have auditioned. I have hundreds of women.

Matt (00:37:03):

She’s in all of his movies. I liked her. Well, I like her in this and I liked her in Lords of Salem. Did

Laci (00:37:09):

She get better at acting?

Matt (00:37:11):

You don’t think she’s good in this? She’s not effectively being,

Laci (00:37:14):

I feel the learning curve. She gets good.

Austin (00:37:18):

There are moments. She’s extraordinarily annoying in house of a thousand Corpses. She tones it down for this one for sure, and then she kind of ramps back up to the wild manic energy and three from hell. But I’m like lukewarm on her sometimes. Sure. I think she’s okay. So

Laci (00:37:34):

It’s not just, alright, good.

Austin (00:37:35):

No, most people don’t even like her to be, I’m up and down with her Lords of Salem, I think is her best performance because she’s a normal person living a life. And in the trilogy, the Firefly trilogy, she’s just unhinged and wild.

Laci (00:37:48):

I feel better about this. I kind of feel about her the way I feel sometimes about Harlequin, depending on who’s playing her. It’s just like, yeah, I get it. You’re a menace. You’re annoying, but you have nothing to fucking say. Be smart and cruel or just shut the fuck up. Quit acting like a baby baby. It’s weird. That’s the point. It’s weird. Alright.

Matt (00:38:08):

The most annoying thing she does is blow on your hair. When she does that, I’m like, all right, you need to die.

Laci (00:38:13):

No, it’s the Chinese, Japanese dirty. Look at these. As soon as that happens, I’m like, where are we? What’s this movie

Austin (00:38:20):

That did not age well? It did not. It

Laci (00:38:22):

Is unnerving. I don’t know. It’s kind of on par for her and her fucking Confederate flag ass patch. But yeah,

Matt (00:38:28):

That’s true.

Laci (00:38:28):

That’s true.

Matt (00:38:30):

We’re not supposed to admire them. We’re not supposed to look to them for a model of how to behave

Laci (00:38:35):

Working. But once Austin said, the thing about it makes you look at what it might actually feel like to be cat. It’s real. And what else would people like that be talking about and saying to you if they were toying like a cat playing with a mouse. You’re not just in a cage and they’re talking about business. You are in a cage and they’re fucking with you in that cage. And it’s so uncomfortable. But I get it.

Matt (00:39:05):

And it’s not in service of anything greater. It’s not in service of a ideological project. It’s not for any personal prophet.

Laci (00:39:13):

Right.

Matt (00:39:13):

The

Laci (00:39:14):

Strangers,

Matt (00:39:14):

They’re just really mean and stupid

Austin (00:39:17):

Because this is very heavily inspired by the Manson family. They have some motive or something, right? They

Laci (00:39:23):

Did. Theirs was ideological.

Matt (00:39:27):

Yes and no. It was based on a coming race war. But then now it seems like it was all a CIA op. Maybe that’s a giant question. But the Manson family, I had a version of this history segment I was going to do where I was going to center us in the seventies and the golden age of the serial killer because you had all these things happening over a 10 year period with the Manson family, with the Zodiac, with Son of Sam and all of that. And this was just an extraordinarily violent time in America. And you can do some psychoanalyzing that it’s in reaction to Vietnam, which is happening at the same time. And now this movie is kind of being a retro version of movies in the sixties, like Bonnie and Clyde, that were taking a look at our violent culture. But this time we’re doing it from the lens of the war on terror of the early two thousands. And the violence is ramping back up again. What do we do with people in the world who are just unhinged evil? Not because they have any reason other than they’re just following what they want to do

Laci (00:40:34):

And they’re feeding off of each other’s frenzy and the worst character traits in each of them to remain. They fit nowhere else. So I have to match this person’s taste for violence. I can never undermine it unless I become suspect. I do feel the whole time that Otis is raising the, I see chill in baby and daddy. I see zero Chill in fucking mama. I’m glad she wasn’t in this movie much. Geez. I I’m curious, what was she like in the first one? She makes my skin crawl.

Austin (00:41:11):

Yeah, she does a good job of that. In-house of a thousand corpses too.

Laci (00:41:14):

It’s also Incested. I need her to calm down. Calm down.

Matt (00:41:19):

You need to calm down. Taylor Swift said that once

Laci (00:41:22):

She should be in that movie,

Matt (00:41:24):

She should be in that movie, William Forsyth, as the sheriff emerges from a car, this police raid that’s about to happen on this compound. The people inside, they’re asleep. They’re spooning with their corpses. They don’t know what’s coming down on them. But yeah, Williams Forsyth is sheriff, and Laci said it already. He’s the Dennis Hopper character from Texas Chainsaw too, where he’s like this avenging angel who gives himself speeches by himself. He’s like, I am a servant of the Lord God, but I’m also the devil

Laci (00:41:56):

Red flag. Anytime you’re doing the Lord’s work and you’ve decided that that’s what you’re doing.

Matt (00:42:06):

And I like this performance. I think I wish it were a little wilder.

Laci (00:42:11):

I think he ramps up.

Matt (00:42:13):

Yeah.

Laci (00:42:14):

I like the arc

Matt (00:42:15):

And very much this is by the end of the movie as he’s torturing these people. I’d say when he kills Mother Firefly, I would say that is a worse thing. That’s worse than anything that the Killers do because he’s a police officer and he is just executing a prisoner

Laci (00:42:32):

Through the vagina.

Matt (00:42:34):

I don’t think he does it through the vagina. I think he just says that Insinuates later ins. But I’ve watched that scene to look.

Laci (00:42:39):

I know,

Matt (00:42:39):

And it seems like he stabs her in the stomach. I know

Laci (00:42:41):

What it seems like, Matt.

Matt (00:42:42):

Yeah,

Austin (00:42:43):

But the implied, I think I might be with Lazy on this one. It’s such a sexually charged scene. But you don’t Oh, certainly. But

Matt (00:42:52):

I don’t think he literally does it. But

Laci (00:42:54):

You saw how much blood was in the crotch of that blonde from the beginning. People are fucking crotches hard in this movie.

Matt (00:42:59):

Okay.

Laci (00:43:00):

Yes. Alright,

Matt (00:43:00):

Fine. Yeah. And in film, semiotics stabbing is always

Laci (00:43:05):

Yes. Yes. Matt, you and your dick

Matt (00:43:06):

Very suggest penetration.

Laci (00:43:10):

He loves that.

Matt (00:43:11):

Yeah. Right away there’s just so much jerky, handheld camera and a ton of closeups. There’s so many closeups. And as the movie goes along, this relaxes and the cinematography becomes a little more normal. I think that’s another reason I start to the movie more as it goes along.

Laci (00:43:26):

Now knowing it’s a sequel and I feel like a fucking idiot for not watching the first one. I get why it’s like that. They are like, Hey, these are your guys. Hey, look, this is the family. Let’s get up close. It’s that baby you like. It’s that Otis you. I think it’s kind of like a, it feels like fun. Kind of what it reminds me of, I guess it reminds me of a Western, but introducing your old favorites. It’s crazy lady and Crazy Mama

Matt (00:43:52):

Closeups of the cops too. It’s disorienting. You have no bearing geographically. But yeah, just neither do that. They find out the cops are here, and so they engage in a big shootout. So what do we think of this opening sequence?

Laci (00:44:06):

It’s definitely sets the tone. This is just tricky because knowing where it goes, again, I feel like I’d appreciate this more. I like anything in any movie that’s got a plan and a back escape and has their house rigged because they know the law will be coming one day. I like all that. I like how prepared they are. That’s all working for me.

Matt (00:44:32):

I love that. I like this. This might be my favorite line in the movie. The cops start attacking. They all get on their armor and stuff and baby says to mama, she’s like, mama, what’s the matter? It’s like, well, think’s the matter. But what the mama says is I keep remembering good times when you as a fucking baby. I like when you was a fucking baby.

Austin (00:44:54):

That is good.

Matt (00:44:55):

Times

Austin (00:44:55):

Were simpler.

Matt (00:44:56):

So they’re all saying, I love you to each other. This is very sweet. There’s a fourth brother, I guess, who dies. Who is this fourth

Austin (00:45:02):

Brother? Tyler Maine. That guy who plays Michael Myers in the Halloween movies. Okay. He’s very quick. So

Laci (00:45:09):

He dies in the first one?

Austin (00:45:10):

No, no. He dies on Devil Rejects. Oh, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. It’s very quick. You see his face, the camera swoops across and you’re like, Hey, that’s Tyler May. I think he has one line of dialogue, but yeah. Yeah. But

Matt (00:45:22):

He plays Rufuss Tea Firefly,

Austin (00:45:24):

And

Matt (00:45:25):

I’ve seen Duck Soup many times, but I didn’t pick. I was just like, oh, that name sounds familiar, but I didn’t clock that. It’s a Marx Brothers thing until they put Groucho Marx on screen. And I was like, I’m suspecting there’s some sort of connect.

Laci (00:45:37):

You were getting aggravated. You’re like, what

Matt (00:45:38):

The fuck? Who the, yeah. This is when I realized this isn’t a horror movie. This is more like a western. This is a shoot ’em up,

Laci (00:45:46):

Except for they do kick the cage of one of the people who are in the cage on their way out just to fuck you. One last fuck.

Matt (00:45:54):

You just right. You’re about to get found. Fuck you. And where this goes is the Firefly successfully kill a couple of cops. The cops are struggling to get them because they’re wearing heavy armor. I believe Kane Hotter is one of these cops. He’s the guy who played Jason four times.

Austin (00:46:07):

Yeah. He’s the guy with the gas mask on. You see him really quick as well. Two quick cameos.

Matt (00:46:14):

No hockey mask. So I didn’t recognize him, but Baby and Otis escape. The mother gets arrested, the other guy is dead. Oh. And they’re wondering like, wait, where’s tiny? He should be here for this great moment. Keep

Laci (00:46:27):

That in your head.

Matt (00:46:28):

Yes. And I will admit, I totally forgot about Tiny. I did not. But I should never have forgotten about Tiny. Oh, and then William Forsyth is like about to arrest the mom, and she’s like, you can’t, you’re not going to take me alive. She’s about to shoot herself, but the gun is empty. D it.

Laci (00:46:43):

Dang it.

Matt (00:46:44):

So then we have these opening credits and in Montage we see the mom being taken away to jail. Bobby Baby and Otis going on the run. Make it a way through the sewers. And

Laci (00:46:54):

Here comes Matt’s mom

Matt (00:46:55):

Goes over my mom. They need to steal a car. So you see how crafty they are. She just lays down on the ground.

Laci (00:47:01):

She’s well also just punch her. You punch the other lady with the kid. Oh no. See, that’s how you know that Captain Spalding is less severe than the brother. She plays dead. Laura’s the lady over the brother fucking stabs her to death. And then they take the car where Captains balding gets the same job done by just clocking her. Does not touch the kid. I was almost out of here. I announced it to the room. If they do something to this kid, I am fucking out. But they didn’t.

Matt (00:47:33):

Oh man, she was going to quit. The podcast

Laci (00:47:35):

I’s going to quit.

Matt (00:47:36):

I was, that would’ve been all my fault too. No, I have this on my conscience showed up, but no, he didn’t. He’s a sweetheart. He’s a sweet No, I see that too. Yeah. And there’s a thing with things becoming more extreme with each generation.

Laci (00:47:50):

Well, because think of what Otis would’ve had to do to survive in that fucking house. All I can think about is what was it like to be kids here? Your mom is a crazed sex maniac. Your dad looks like that. And you would have to be out doing each other. You would have to be competing for the most violent one. You would be fucked in a brother and sister relationship. You have no choice

Austin (00:48:10):

To. That’s a very valid point. Yeah. That’s exactly why Otis is the way he is now that you mention it and put it in that perspective. Yeah. I think that’s exactly why he is the craziest one.

Laci (00:48:20):

One. And in the male,

Austin (00:48:21):

He’s

Laci (00:48:21):

Going to bear more from his psychotic dad then. And he’s going to be sexualized by his mom. I mean, they’re just touching everybody in this fucking family.

Matt (00:48:31):

They can’t weaponize his sexuality like his sister can.

Laci (00:48:33):

No. Well, that’s why he has to sleep and fuck dead things. He’s probably sick of being touched. He’s probably sick of the sexuality that is constantly running rampant in his house. It no longer means anything. I just need to fuck that shit now. Just

Matt (00:48:46):

Needs to feel

Austin (00:48:46):

Something. Whoa. Yeah. Wow, man. This movie has been out for 20 something years and you’re giving me just these different, this is why I love talking about movies. You’re giving me completely different perspectives to look at this movie at I love here. Thank you. That’s astute. That is astute. I like that.

Laci (00:49:02):

Astute. That’s my favorite compliment. That’s your favorite word. Yes. Is yes that in Moxie. Don’t she fucking tell me I have Moxie or I’ll be your best friend.

Matt (00:49:12):

Only if they add kid. We got Moxie kid Kid. Okay, so the news, it’s on the news and they’re like in what is the worst crime since Jack the Ripper went crazy in London. It’s the house of a thousand corpses. And inside this house, that’s not the hat,

Laci (00:49:28):

It’s the ranch of a baker’s dozen.

Matt (00:49:30):

I didn’t know that. I wrote in my notes they found in the house of a thousand corpses.

Laci (00:49:34):

We need to get a hat because look, he has a fright, mirror’s hat, and I’m jealous of that hat.

Matt (00:49:38):

Okay, Laci,

Laci (00:49:39):

I’m sorry.

Matt (00:49:39):

We’ll get a hat.

Laci (00:49:40):

Okay. Just one we’ll share.

Matt (00:49:42):

It’ll buy one. Does it have to say load-bearing beans?

Laci (00:49:44):

No, it has to say fright. Mirrors.

Matt (00:49:46):

Oh yeah. So absolutely. We can get a fright. Mirrors hat, hats just look weird on my head. My head is stupid. Your head is large. They find a scrapbook because this woman’s scrapbooks with Captain Spalding in it. And Sheriff Ell, what is his first name? The sheriff?

Austin (00:50:03):

John Quincy. Ell

Matt (00:50:05):

John. Quincy Ell.

Austin (00:50:06):

Okay.

Matt (00:50:07):

Like the sixth president. So he finds a picture of Captain Spalding and he’s like, motherfucker, it’s that guy

Laci (00:50:14):

I know. This mother.

Matt (00:50:15):

Captain Spalding. Laci. Captain Spalding AKA cutter

Laci (00:50:19):

Brush. Your teeth

Matt (00:50:20):

Man is played by Sid Haig. Can you tell me about Captain Spalding

Laci (00:50:23):

Now? The actor in general. I just love him. I just love his whole look. I want him to be happy with me.

Matt (00:50:31):

You told me this last night while you were angry, but you were him. But I want to please the dad.

Laci (00:50:35):

I want to please him so bad. But I need him to brush those teeth. And if he’s got the fucking fake teeth that he wears in his commercial, just wear them all the time. Daddy, you’re fucking, I get it. And lose the sexual side of you. I don’t like what you’re saying to this lady in your dream. I don’t like what you’re saying to the lady that lays next to you and roll out, remove all the sex daddy and then you’re my best friend. What did you ask me?

Matt (00:51:00):

Just what’s his deal?

Laci (00:51:01):

I dunno. He’s a clown. He

Matt (00:51:03):

Clowned. He’s a clown. So what is his job?

Austin (00:51:04):

Austin, in house of a thousand corpses. It’s to take people around his museum of, what do you want to call it? Oddities. Oddities. There we go. Novelties. Yes. And then lead them down the path to I guess murder them. So that’s his job in, how

Matt (00:51:23):

Does he make money doing

Austin (00:51:24):

That?

Laci (00:51:24):

They have money on them. You take the valuables, you sell money. No repeat

Matt (00:51:28):

Business though.

Austin (00:51:29):

Yeah, no, the repeat business is not there. But it’s one of those places you’re probably only going to go to once because it’s off the beaten path. It’s on that road that connects the two main roads. So that’s what he does in that movie. In this movie. It really doesn’t go into much of what he does because they’re on the run basically from the get go. So I’m assuming he probably still has the house of a thousand corpses because you see the commercial for it at the beginning. So the commercial

Laci (00:51:54):

Is for that house.

Austin (00:51:57):

Well is it for, he also has chicken that he sells there and it’s like a gas station. It sounds, it’s like little thing. Sounds, yeah, it’s like a shop as well where he works where he has someone to work on cars. It’s a whole little, not like a

Laci (00:52:11):

Little town.

Austin (00:52:12):

Yeah, it’s like a whole little thing,

Laci (00:52:13):

Whole ecosystem.

Austin (00:52:13):

So I’m assuming he’s still doing that. But yeah, it’s not really explicitly explained. And the devil’s reject. So

Matt (00:52:21):

He wakes up next to this very large lady who’s very horny and he is like, damn woman. Stop being so horny. And he’s

Laci (00:52:28):

Got skid marks on the outside. Why are the outside?

Matt (00:52:31):

There’s a very funny cut where he gets up to go pee and he starts to pee and it cuts to coffee being poured in a cup. I was laughing. So they watch his commercial, but its commercial. Gets interrupted by breaking news, like breaking news. The worst crime since Jack the Ripper in Londontown and he gets a call from his daughter and she’s like, daddy, we’re run the run. Meet me at the motel. So he is like, I got to go.

Laci (00:52:57):

Damn woman.

Matt (00:52:58):

Yeah. But the next time we see him, he’s put his clown makeup on. For what reason?

Laci (00:53:02):

No, no, no. He wakes up in it. He still has it on.

Matt (00:53:04):

No, he does not have it on. When he wakes up, look at this is the dream where he wakes up with clown makeup on, but then when he wakes up in real life, he does not have clown makeup. It’s not true. Oh, it’s true Austin.

Austin (00:53:15):

Yeah. He has it in the dream. If it’s on when he wakes up, it’s very, very, very, very faded. But I’m pretty sure his face is clean until he’s seen again.

Matt (00:53:26):

He, even though he’s on the run now, I got to put my clown makeup back.

Laci (00:53:29):

He takes it off again. Well, I put

Matt (00:53:31):

So they can identify me fine. We check in on this. We can only call it a resort ghost sex town.

Laci (00:53:40):

I want to go there so bad. I fucking love this place.

Matt (00:53:43):

Run by Ken Re from Dawn of the Dead and I was just so happy. He’s also in Lords of Salem. I was just so like, oh, it’s so nice that Rob Zombie finds these old legends and also Michael Berryman from Hail Half Eyes. He’s Mercury in hills, half eyes. The big guy, the most famous looking guy from Hills have eyes.

Laci (00:54:05):

That’s a sidekick.

Matt (00:54:06):

Yes.

Laci (00:54:07):

Okay. I knew he looked very familiar.

Matt (00:54:08):

Yes. And he’s in One Flew over the Cuckoo’s Nest too, which Austin just watched.

Laci (00:54:12):

Oh

Matt (00:54:13):

Yeah, he is. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So Ken Rey, he’s like running this little saloon, this sex saloon and one of his sex workers played by EG Daley, who is of course Tommy Pickles and also Dottie from PeeWee’s Big Adventure. She’s working as a sex worker named Candy. And she explains, I’m not making enough money, but I was thinking of doing maybe a Star Wars thing and Ken Re is like, I don’t know, that makes me nervous. I thought it was funny that he said, that makes me nervous, this Star Wars thing. But Captain Spalding calls up, we realize he and Ken Frey plays Charlie. Charlie and Captain Spalding are old friends and they’re going to work together. Yes.

Laci (00:54:51):

Would we understand if we had watched House of a Thousand Corpses where this relationship comes from? Or is this a new relationship for this movie?

Austin (00:54:59):

This is a new relationship for this movie. Ken Foray is not a part of House of a Thousand corpses. Yeah,

Laci (00:55:04):

Just checking. Alright.

Austin (00:55:05):

Yep, yep, yep.

Matt (00:55:06):

But they’re both good actors and you can understand from their performance. You guys are old friends.

Laci (00:55:11):

No,

Matt (00:55:11):

Thanks. You stupid. I’m not correcting

Laci (00:55:12):

You. No,

Matt (00:55:13):

You’re a stupid whore.

Laci (00:55:15):

You’re a stupid whore.

Matt (00:55:17):

And then we go over to, man, this movie’s throwing a lot at us. I was thinking that when I was watching it for the first time. There’s so many characters in this movie now we’re meeting this group of traveling country musicians. I feel I’m going to have to track them. The whole movie. I’m Not Going to Die. But for now, banjo and Sullivan, who are a pair of married couples, the Sullivan’s and the Banjos, and then also Brian Poe, who plays their nerdy rodie.

Austin (00:55:44):

So random of him to be in this movie. It’s so random.

Matt (00:55:48):

Yes. But no, I like the kind of interjection of weird energy. He is like the old guy’s like, are you smoking dope? And he’s like, no. Or yes. Well, no, not now. Not now, not now. But I enjoy all of these. These are all just veteran character actors with very specific faces and I love to see it. Baby comes over and sees Roy Sullivan, the patriarch of this little group, and she’s like, Hey sexy, you want to fuck me? And he’s like, what did you say again? What did she say? Say again. I bet all the girls want to fuck you. And he’s like, say that again.

Laci (00:56:23):

I was like, calm down baby

Matt (00:56:25):

Jesus. And then Otis comes over and he’s like, this is a stickup. And they take him into his hotel room, his motel room.

Laci (00:56:32):

You could have distracted him in a million ways. It didn’t have to be like that. Give him an erection and then tell him he’s going to go to, but

Matt (00:56:38):

That’s why, that’s what she loves doing.

Austin (00:56:40):

She lives for bait and switch, man. Get him all jazzed up thinking he’s about to get some and no, there’s a gun in your face. Psych that’s a big psych. Also

Laci (00:56:49):

Have a little extra leverage on him with his wife that he just said those things and would’ve totally gone with her to another hotel room. It’s like he’s feeling guilty and scared as soon as he gets in that hotel room.

Matt (00:57:00):

That’s true. All the emotions. But yeah, he is like, I guess this young woman wants to fuck me. She saw my face.

Laci (00:57:07):

The banjo finally paid off

Matt (00:57:08):

And decided I’m that attractive. Oh, in the motel room, the other people are watching a news broadcast that’s like satanic panic going on. There’s cults everywhere. We live in a very violent time. And the woman’s like, turn that off. It’s so ridiculous. And right as she does that, then the crazy devil people invade her motel room. Thus begins a long stretch of the movie where they are held hostage in their motel room and Brian Proce comes in and they shoot ’em in the head immediately

Laci (00:57:37):

And then the guy throws up. And then I’m like, okay, different movie. No thank you. No thank you. No thank you. No, no, no, no. I started short fucking circuiting.

Matt (00:57:46):

Yeah. My major criticism is the motel stuff and I’m not against, we can get to it when we get to that part.

Laci (00:57:55):

Let’s get right. I’m not prudish about this stuff, I just need it to, we’ll get to it.

Matt (00:58:02):

Captain Spalding, he’s on the way to meet them, but his truck runs out of gas. So he sees a mother played by PJ Souls from Halloween

Speaker 3 (00:58:10):

And

Matt (00:58:11):

Her young son and he’s like, Hey, I need your car. And you know what she says? She says, totally, no, she doesn’t. She says, she’s like, aha, you’re a funny clown. And he’s like, I’m not a funny clown you bitch. And then he punches it real hard and then scares the shit out of the little kid. Really upsetting Laci. But he does allow the kid to live.

Laci (00:58:33):

And then I’m like, okay, I think I can, hang on. That was my line.

Austin (00:58:38):

That’s my favorite line. Favorite scene. When he looks at the kids, he is like, aren’t we fucking funny kid? He is like, when I come back for you, you better have an answer else. I’m going to kill you and your whole fucking family. Like, whoa, cloud. Holy shit. Take it down.

Matt (00:58:53):

The question the kid has to answer is, what is your favorite thing about clowns or what makes you laugh about a clown? It’s kind of a specific question. Dude, your antics.

Laci (00:59:03):

That kid’s going to eat therapy the rest of his fucking life is now a bed wetter.

Matt (00:59:06):

Yeah. Rest of his life. When it, the 2017 it which Austin has a standee from that movie behind him. I remember when that movie came out, there was a new cycle of news stories about real clowns who have always had an issue with Stephen King. They feel like the publication of it in 1986 ruined. See that ruined in the clown industry.

Austin (00:59:29):

See the love shit. I didn’t even think about that. Yeah, wow.

Matt (00:59:33):

Like whenever there’s clowns in movies, I’m like, whoever liked a clown. But I guess it was a big thing at a certain point.

Laci (00:59:39):

Well, it still is there. Still there. Are you clown? It’s a thing. It’s a profession,

Matt (00:59:44):

But it’s not like you don’t look like that anymore. It’s like they had to get a glow up. Now a clown is like a talented acrobatic performer. I don’t know. If we held a birthday party for a child and hired a clown, what would the reaction be?

Laci (01:00:00):

What would the kids, I don’t fucking know those kids. I don’t know.

Matt (01:00:04):

Probably fear.

Laci (01:00:05):

Yeah. I mean you’d have to be doing something very unique. But at the Renaissance Festival, there’s a clown and she’s delightful. The Renaissance Festival that we’ve all been to. Oh

Austin (01:00:14):

Yeah. Oh yeah.

Laci (01:00:16):

So you incorporate other things like she’s a sword Swallower. She’s a pinhead. Different. It’s just another way of being a sideshow person.

Matt (01:00:23):

Wait, what is a pinhead?

Laci (01:00:25):

Pinhead is a person that can nail something through their sinus cavity.

Austin (01:00:30):

Oh, that one freaks me out. Oh man. That one gets me so much more upsetting than sword swallowing. A hundred percent. A hundred percent.

Laci (01:00:38):

She can shoot milk out of her eyes. What? Well, because all of this is connected.

Matt (01:00:43):

Can we get her on the show?

Laci (01:00:43):

Yes. I off her card.

Matt (01:00:46):

Just

Laci (01:00:47):

Don’t get me wet. Our kid’s best friend stapled a $20 bill to her chest,

Matt (01:00:52):

Just

Laci (01:00:52):

Like this movie.

Matt (01:00:53):

This is just like this movie.

Laci (01:00:54):

As long as you give her 20, you can staple her. I was like, dude, just give her the money. Don’t staple. He’s like, yeah, I’m not taking this kid anywhere again.

Austin (01:01:04):

Alright. That was the last time we went anywhere.

Matt (01:01:06):

We’re back at the motel and baby is doing her Chinese champion thing. And then Otis is just sitting there and he says to Roy, he’s like, Hey Haass, you checking out my sister? And he is like, no sir, I’m a married man. And thus begins a lot of torture and sexual assault and we’re all having a good time. They pull up Roy’s wife, they’re like, Hey, get naked. And then he fondles her with his gun. Stop. Okay. You describe it.

Laci (01:01:31):

No, I don’t want anyone to describe it.

Matt (01:01:33):

Okay.

Laci (01:01:33):

Good podcast.

Matt (01:01:35):

Yeah, everyone’s crying. It is very upsetting. And now apparently two minutes were cut from this section for the theatrical release, but I think it’s restored in the version we watched

Laci (01:01:46):

On

Matt (01:01:46):

Amazon Prime.

Laci (01:01:47):

You can see a theme with this family and you can tell it’s how the children must have been abused as kids with their parents forcing them to say things because this brother does it and the sister does it. Tell me that I’m blah, blah, blah. Tell me you like it. And they both do it. And there’s just something so fucking gross.

Austin (01:02:07):

Yeah. That’s my only problem with this movie is that part of the motel scene is I don’t like any of that stuff done towards women or I mean really anybody, but especially women. I feel like it’s done too much to women in movies, especially horror movies. It’s my same problem. Sorry, side tangent. It’s my same problem with the Halloween directors Cut that Rob Zombie put out for DVD and Blu-ray. The theatrical cut has Michael Myers escaping and murdering seven or eight people in the most gory way. He replaces that scene, takes that scene out and includes a rape scene for the Yeah. And I’m like, why are we removing the best part of the movie with something that I never want to see ever? So yeah, he has a weird thing with kind of rapey moments and I’m just like,

Speaker 3 (01:02:51):

Let’s

Austin (01:02:51):

Just not put those in there because this movie would’ve been fine without all of that. So that’s my biggest problem with this movie.

Matt (01:02:58):

I know that what he would say is, this is supposed to be upsetting, this is supposed to be dark. These are very bad people and I’m letting you know how bad they are. And in this hypothetical thing he says to me, I’d be like, yeah, I agree. I don’t know. This is not enjoyable to watch, but I get that the point is for you to be very, very upset and for you to have no reason to have any sympathy, the bad guys with the main characters of the movie, to see how totally depraved they are

Laci (01:03:28):

And to be unsettled for the rest of the time. This scene is doing a lot of the work for the rest of the movie. You don’t know it will go anywhere. Is it going to go somewhere again where I’m,

Austin (01:03:42):

Yeah, because it puts that out there. It puts it out there like, Hey, we’ve done this once. It’s entirely possible. We’ll do this again. I mean, thank God they don’t. But yeah, once you put that out there, it makes you worry for the rest of the runtime. Are we going to go back into this territory again? I really, really just don’t want to.

Laci (01:03:59):

And I think a big part of it’s because they do it in three or four scenes. It’s not one, here we are now we’re we’re going to take your husband and husbands and they’re going to walk and it’s going to be a very dramatic way that I’m going to kill them now, which is fucking prolonged as shit. That whole beating them thing and torturing and all that. And then yet another scene. Well, meanwhile back at the fucking hotel baby is torturing the women. The women who are going to be killed. Let’s just get on with it.

Austin (01:04:28):

It’s

Laci (01:04:28):

A lot of the movie for it to not be any of the movie after that. Like

Austin (01:04:34):

Cats

Laci (01:04:35):

Playing

Austin (01:04:35):

With their feeling.

Laci (01:04:35):

I mixed feelings on it.

Austin (01:04:36):

Yeah. It’s a rough scene. It’s

Matt (01:04:39):

A rough scene. And I guess that’s sort of my big criticism of the movie. And I’m not somebody who thinks you can’t show stuff like this on screen. You absolutely. Can it be in a fun movie? I don’t know. Because this

Laci (01:04:53):

Right, the tone is,

Matt (01:04:54):

The rest of this movie seems like it should be fun. I should be having fun with how over the top and pulpy this all is. But anyway, this all happens and baby starts blowing on people’s hair and I’m like, that’s the worst thing anybody does in this movie.

Laci (01:05:08):

Stop blowing on it.

Matt (01:05:10):

Otis takes these two men out on a mission when he’s done playing with them. And then we go see Sheriff Wiell going to visit Mother Firefly behind bars.

Laci (01:05:22):

Now I didn’t know that. It wasn’t confirmed for him, or he seems to not know that these are the people that killed his brother until she whips out the pictures and then he gets enraged. So maybe I just didn’t understand. No, he sought them out because of this

Austin (01:05:38):

And

Laci (01:05:38):

Now he’s seeing it and that’s why he’s getting

Austin (01:05:40):

Replaced. Right, right. Yeah. He knew this. Going into it and seeing it just reaffirms that, yeah, this is exactly why I’m here. And to rub this, she’s basically rubbing it in his face that the one mother fireflies is the one who killed his brother in house of a thousand corpses. So that scene is really powerful and that’s why he’s so pissed because he knows that she’s the one who killed his brother.

Laci (01:06:04):

And he’s of so little consequence to her that he’s in a scrapbook that hasn’t been put together yet, that it’s like, I’ve been mean to get around to this. It was a year ago. That’s a you’re doing with your downtime. And she rubs it in that I just hadn’t gotten around to it.

Matt (01:06:17):

Yep, yep.

Austin (01:06:18):

Here

Laci (01:06:19):

He is.

Matt (01:06:19):

Oh, she opens the scrapbook and she sees her daughter. She’s like, isn’t she an angel? But he’s like, I’m going to kill your little angel unless you tell me where they are and then I’ll bring them in alive now. I mean the whole time she’s, she’s like the joker. She’s fucked. You can beat her up. And she just laughs. I enjoy the violence against me. Ha ha. And it drives you mad. What do you do with this kind of evil? How can the law even react? Maybe the law can’t react. Maybe you have to go above the law.

Austin (01:06:46):

He certain he certainly does with that and gets very unhinged by the end, I would say.

Matt (01:06:53):

Well, in the first interaction between them, he starts beating her up.

Austin (01:06:58):

And

Matt (01:06:58):

That’s why I definitely think it is pointedly the cop, the arm of the law, which supposed to represent law and order in this deteriorating world is violating the most basic ideas we have about justice and how law enforcement officers, officers of the court, et cetera, are supposed to behave. You can just start beating up prisoners.

Laci (01:07:21):

You’re not supposed to up the anti, you’re not supposed to out terrorize the terrorist. You’re supposed to bring it down or keep it level.

Matt (01:07:28):

Right. Yeah. And I think Rob Zombie is trying to play with your sympathies here because presumably you are rooting for him. You’re rooting for William Forsythe. It’d

Laci (01:07:37):

Be so hard to the whole time,

Matt (01:07:39):

But he’s doing things like beating up a woman now it’s a evil woman, but beating up a prisoner. Yeah. Otis has the two men. He’s like, we’re going get some guns. Some guns. I buried a few years ago. Then what? Well, there ain’t no, that’s the end of the road. And I love the guy’s like, Mr. You don’t mean to kill us or nothing. And he’s like, I mean, listen. I mean, yeah, pretty much being, he’s like the younger one picks up a log and hits them on the head. There’s several opportunities where these dumb people could get away and they just,

Laci (01:08:12):

They’re scared, Matt. They’re not dumb. They just don’t do this all the time.

Matt (01:08:15):

No, here’s what I would do. I would get No, I know. Oh, I would be terrible. I’d be so dumb. I’d be pissing and shitting myself.

Laci (01:08:21):

I know there’d be so much pee and poo.

Matt (01:08:22):

Yeah. And Otis, bill Mosley, he stabs the younger one as Adam stabs him in the neck and he’s like, you brought this on yourself. I was going to take it easy on you, but now you’re going to bleed to

Laci (01:08:35):

Death. No, he doesn’t. The gun goes off. He gets shot in the neck.

Matt (01:08:39):

Oh, shoots him in the neck. Yes. Fucking

Laci (01:08:41):

Hack.

Matt (01:08:43):

Okay, you explained, you watched

Laci (01:08:44):

It twice.

Matt (01:08:45):

You don’t want to explain anything, you

Laci (01:08:47):

Explain. No, I don’t want to.

Matt (01:08:52):

But then crucially, he goes over to Roy and Roy is dying or whatever, and he is like, I want you to pray to your God to save me. And Roy is like, God, please bless the bunnies and the flowers.

Laci (01:09:03):

It’s like that man doesn’t pray.

Matt (01:09:05):

He’s

Laci (01:09:05):

Just doing this for you. That’s not as an ex religious person. That is not how you pray.

Matt (01:09:10):

Correct. Yeah.

Laci (01:09:11):

That’s how you pretend to pray.

Matt (01:09:12):

And so what Otis says is, no, it’s not going to work. I am the devil and I’m here to do the devil’s work.

Laci (01:09:17):

It’s like you just wanted to say your little thing. Okay, Jules.

Matt (01:09:21):

And

Laci (01:09:21):

Then a vengeance. Yeah, I got it. I got it. Say your fucking peace, man.

Matt (01:09:25):

So again, the movie Hammering Home, these are evil fucking people. They have no morals at all.

Laci (01:09:31):

And there’s a little bit of hope. I mean, you’re just with the ladies, maybe you can take it down a fucking notch, but no one of ’em needs to pee. And because baby doesn’t need to let you do anything, she says, well, what are you going to do for me? And well, what do you want? I want you to slap her as hard as you can. And at this point I’m like, just pee. Just pee. You’re naked from the waist down. Just pee. What are you doing? Why are you okay? I guess I’ll take you up on that and slaps her good twice again. I don’t get it. Just pee. But then I realized, oh, you’re trying to escape. Okay, you weren’t going to go pee. I’m stupid. I realized it. Anyway. Alright. Very

Matt (01:10:18):

Astute.

Laci (01:10:19):

Fuck off. Alright, so she gets to get up and get bathroom privileges and immediately breaks the window. I mean, she’s doing a good job in terms of escaping, but it’s a little loud. So she goes for the bathroom and I think that’s when she’s distracted enough for the older lady to get the gun.

Matt (01:10:42):

And then baby’s like, I hate you. You can’t shoot me, lady. I never did nothing to you. I hardly did anything. Then throws a knife at her, into her, whatever this is called.

Austin (01:10:53):

The gun’s not loaded too. She’s like, it’s just for a fact. You’re like, God damn though. Nothing in the really? There’s nothing. The gun son of a bitch. Nothing at all.

Matt (01:11:00):

You

Laci (01:11:00):

Already shot

Austin (01:11:01):

Someone

Laci (01:11:02):

To death.

Matt (01:11:02):

Baby’s like, go ahead and shoot me. In fact. And she pulls down her pants, shoot me in the ass, and she pulls the trigger and nothing happens. She’s like, see, it’s all mind powers. This is just severance and lumen. We’re all about how we can control you by keeping you confused.

Laci (01:11:15):

Except for that they killed someone with a gun only fucking 20 minutes ago.

Matt (01:11:19):

That is true. Yeah, that’s true. Different gun. It’s a little different. A little different. And then Wendy runs out of the hotel room and runs right outside into Captain Spalding the clown who has arrived at the hotel and then his face morphs into Groucho Marxist. And at this point I was like, what the fuck is happening? So we dive into the Marx Brothers now,

Laci (01:11:38):

And someone from Film Talk joins the movie.

Matt (01:11:42):

Can we get a film talk guy in here to explain to us movies? And this guy, they have come in to explain the history of the Marx Brothers. And what I love is how annoyed the cops are with him. It’s

Laci (01:11:53):

Like, we just need you to give me this piece of paper. I don’t need all the other shit, man.

Matt (01:11:56):

Because he’s just rattling off Marx Brothers trivia. And then stuff not related to the Marx Brothers. Gradual Marx was in an auto perimeter movie, auto Perimeter once directed whatever. But yeah, all the aliases that everybody is using are from Marx Brothers movies. Captain Spalding is from animal crackers, rufuss de fireflies from Duck Soup. And one of the cops is like, I think we should go talk to this grout Cho Marx.

Laci (01:12:22):

I get that. We understand now that, okay, these are all, but we don’t understand why. There’s never an explanation as to what’s the

Matt (01:12:27):

Importa. So why? Why is

Austin (01:12:29):

It, I know he’s just a big fan of Grau marks and he’s also a fan of the Munsters. If you notice, oh, that might’ve been House of a Thousand Corpses. It was either in House of a Thousand or Devil’s Rejects. There’s a clip of the Munsters. But yeah, it’s not overly explained in the movie. And I don’t know, besides him just being a fan of his work and stuff like that. I think he just did it because yeah, like homage for some weird reason

Laci (01:12:53):

I guess. But you think it’s going to lead to something. And all it actually leads to is that he figures out an accomplice of his based on the fact that he’s also named something

Austin (01:13:02):

That

Laci (01:13:03):

The guy that owns the slut town is also a Marx Brothers.

Matt (01:13:07):

But if you’re looking for a thematic connection, I’m not. My guess would be that the word people used to describe the Marx Brothers was anarchic in their comedy. They were not bound. They played characters who were not bound by rule. They were moving in polite society circles, but not following the rules. And thus the Dow Journal lady always gets very upset. Oh, bye. So maybe it’s that we don’t have to follow your rules, but yeah, they’re like, why don’t we go

Laci (01:13:34):

Eat and aren’t there three of them?

Matt (01:13:37):

The classic lineup has three, but there, so

Laci (01:13:39):

There used to be four and one Dodge. There

Matt (01:13:40):

Used to be four. And then people were like, that fourth one doesn’t seem to do anything. And then there was actually even a fifth one, even less well known.

Laci (01:13:48):

So mom and dad, goodbye. I mean mom

Matt (01:13:50):

And brother

Austin (01:13:51):

Making connections here. I love

Matt (01:13:53):

This.

Laci (01:13:53):

Yeah, that’s what I’m here for, babe.

Matt (01:13:56):

Yeah. Can we go talk to Groucho Marx? You idiot. He died a few years ago, and then one of them’s like, yeah, he died the same day. Elvis died or whatever.

Laci (01:14:04):

Ja, reading. Don’t you ever say nothing.

Matt (01:14:06):

Elvis. And the film guy gets very upset that Elvis stole Groucho’s Thunder. So then Sheriff Lydell, he’s like, don’t you insult the king now get this Hollywood pussy out of here.

Laci (01:14:16):

So you see Matt, it’s not just about criminals. This guy’s violent with whoever aggravates him.

Matt (01:14:23):

And then just for good measure, he says, and fuck Groucho. It’s kind of funny.

Austin (01:14:27):

It’s good stuff.

Laci (01:14:28):

He needs a nap.

Matt (01:14:30):

He

Austin (01:14:30):

Needs a snicker. He’s not himself.

Laci (01:14:32):

Yes, yes.

Matt (01:14:33):

Sheriff, you’re not yourself. When you’re hungry, you say things like, fuck Groucho. Otis returns to the motel and he’s now wearing Adam’s face skin. And he’s like, I’m crazy now you have to wear it, bitch. Put it on top of this. Which

Laci (01:14:45):

It’s just a little love note to TCM two and to Leatherface. That’s the only fucking purpose. I don’t take this guy as someone who takes a lot of time to skin. The only Skinner he likes is Lany. It’s just, I don’t know. And then they leave her alive. Who knows what they did to her? They hang her on a fucking hook. Also original

Speaker 3 (01:15:11):

Halloween.

Laci (01:15:13):

Oh, I was thinking of

Speaker 3 (01:15:15):

Texas chainsaw. Texas chainsaw,

Laci (01:15:16):

The original, but okay, so the fucking maid or housekeeper finds completely freaked out and doesn’t know to take the thing off of her face. So it’s just a chase scene, which I think is just to give you a pet cemetery moment, I guess. Because wild else hit her with the fucking

Matt (01:15:35):

Pet

Laci (01:15:36):

Cemetery. Well, she gets hit with the 18 wheeler

Matt (01:15:39):

In the

Laci (01:15:40):

Vast open highway. I mean, I assume that’s the only reason wild else even have that scene.

Matt (01:15:45):

Like, well, Texas Chainsaw famously ends with the girl running out into the street

Laci (01:15:48):

And getting saved

Matt (01:15:49):

And getting saved. So this is an inversion of that.

Laci (01:15:52):

Fine. I think she’d had enough though.

Matt (01:15:54):

And she really gets splattered. Just squished.

Laci (01:15:57):

I’ve never seen quite a splatter, a rose such a plattered to that time. A rose, such a glatter,

Matt (01:16:04):

A rose, such a splatter into goo. You’ve not seen goo like this.

Laci (01:16:07):

And then still some of her body was there. So it was like, anyway, and then the back and just the racist shit with the fucking housekeeper now. And I think it’s all just to show you, this cop’s not nice, this world. Nice. Well,

Matt (01:16:22):

No, no, no, no, no. The cops are being kind of, they’re, I don’t understand this Mexican nonsense. But then

Laci (01:16:29):

He speaks Spanish. The

Matt (01:16:30):

Sheriff goes up and speaks Spanish to her and then says some nice things to her. So see, he is kind of a nice guy. You see? Oh,

Laci (01:16:35):

Don’t go against what I say,

Matt (01:16:37):

Sorry.

Laci (01:16:37):

But

Matt (01:16:38):

He’s like, I found the perfect man to help me on my quest to arrest these guys. I got Danny Trejo and Diamond Dallas Page, diamond Dallas, DDP, who looks so much like the undertaker. It was confusing.

Laci (01:16:52):

Yes, he does

Matt (01:16:52):

A much more famous wrestler, but he’s very imposing here. And DDP towers over Danny Trejo, who is himself a scary man. Right? Yeah.

Laci (01:17:01):

He always plays lovable. Scary though.

Matt (01:17:03):

Yeah. Well, later,

Laci (01:17:04):

It’s the shape of his head.

Matt (01:17:06):

They call up, the sheriff has a dream where he goes to see his brother, his brother George. And he’s like, my brother, I have to tell you, avenge me, kill them. And he’s like, well, I was already going to do that, but okay, now I’m going to take it even more seriously. And he gets a call from Danny Trejo saying, we have a lead. Charlie, you know that sex ghost town? Yeah. He’s an associate and we’re going to go make stuff happen. Okay, good. Okay. And then we have the scene where he goes back to Mother Firefly in prison and just gives her a speech about how I’m the devil’s arm of the Lord of the Justice or whatever, and just stabs her repeatedly.

Laci (01:17:43):

No, he does not one. He just right in the vagina, then up and then turns,

Matt (01:17:48):

Okay, one step

Laci (01:17:49):

Giving her orgasm,

Matt (01:17:50):

Not repeated,

Laci (01:17:51):

And then a death. This mom thinks a lot of herself.

Austin (01:17:58):

What do you mean?

Laci (01:17:58):

She finds herself very attractive and does not think men can resist her. She’s a little bit past her day, but this constant tongue licking her teeth and licking the lips, it’s like she’s doing an impression of sexy. She also signals someone who is abused, obviously, and clearly sexually abused because she’s like, what a kid thinks is sexy. She’s stuck.

Austin (01:18:24):

You don’t find her sexy.

Laci (01:18:25):

No, it’s not working for me.

Austin (01:18:27):

And she’s even weirdly rougher in health of a thousand corpses

Laci (01:18:33):

I imagined. Yes.

Austin (01:18:34):

Yeah, she’s pretty gritty in that one.

Matt (01:18:37):

And Austin, you said she killed the old, she killed his brother.

Speaker 3 (01:18:41):

So

Matt (01:18:41):

It makes sense that he has this vision of his brother and then he then goes to kill her and it’s like, alright, the law here is not going to apply. I’m no longer a cop. I am a brother,

Laci (01:18:52):

And I don’t disagree. If they are in your sight, kill them. Kill them dead.

Matt (01:18:57):

Don’t

Laci (01:18:58):

Fucking give them a trial.

Matt (01:19:00):

Okay. But the world is worse if cops are just killing shit.

Laci (01:19:02):

I get it.

Matt (01:19:04):

That creates way more.

Laci (01:19:06):

But baby’s hot. The brother can clean up. I’m just saying, fucking jurors are swayed by good looking people.

Austin (01:19:11):

Yeah. He just has to say, has to take a shower, maybe run a comb through his hair and his beard. Brush your teeth, throw on some cologne. I’m

Laci (01:19:18):

Yelling. Yes, I’m yelling. Take a bath. I yelled it so many times at this movie.

Matt (01:19:22):

She did. I was there. I’m just saying. I know. I know. Y’all agree with me. It’s just, I agree. The world is worse if cops, cops just illegally kill people than if serial killers are allowed to run free. It is more dangerous. The former is more dangerous than the latter. But we go back to that resort town where Cutter drives his family up and Charlie comes out and he does, well, this is almost literally the Lando calrissian thing where he’s like, you got a lot of nerve to show your face. And he’s like, who me? And he’s like, yeah, put your hands up. I’m going to murder you or something. And then squirt him with the water guy. And then they just start laughing so loud and hugging and stuff.

Laci (01:20:02):

It’s such a relief the first time you’re seeing these three characters in a place where they make sense. You’re just like, okay, there is a world for you. I don’t know what you’re implying about sex workers and blackmun, but you at least

Matt (01:20:18):

Wait in what

Laci (01:20:19):

That this is the setting. This is where they can find their people because these other people are sinners as well and damned as well.

Matt (01:20:26):

I’m not saying it’s the only place, it’s just these specific people. They’re here.

Austin (01:20:30):

Yeah. That’s supposed to be their safe place to go where they think that the law can’t harm them in any way. And then of course, that gets flipped in about 20 or 30 minutes of them being there or however long they’re there. They’re not there very long before shit hits the fan.

Matt (01:20:46):

I assumed this would be the rest of the, I assumed it would be from Dust till dawn. Now we arrive at this very weird sort of parallel reality strip club. But no, but I realized Charlie Ferre first, like Lando Calrissian and Han Solo, it’s like you got a lot of nerve showing up here. Ha, just kidding. I’m your friend, but then I’m going to betray you, but I’m going to be reluctant about betraying you and I’m going to help you in the end.

Laci (01:21:08):

Because a nerve by, I mean, I think anyone in the presence of Captain Spalding knows they need to meet it or be defeated. I mean, you have to stay cool to him

Matt (01:21:18):

And

Laci (01:21:20):

Keep his interest or you will just die. He’s a person that will make you die.

Matt (01:21:25):

Yeah, that’s true. Yeah. You have to.

Laci (01:21:27):

He wasn’t excited about him coming. You saw the phone call that they had. He was like, fuck, I’m going to eat a lot of Coke. Tommy Pickles, his mom. I’m going to also need a bunch of pussy.

Matt (01:21:39):

Not Tommy Pickle’s mom, Tommy Pickles, but yes, Tommy Pickles. It’s a good point. Yes. Little

Laci (01:21:43):

Baby ass down here.

Matt (01:21:44):

Yes. All bullies are very exhausted that they have to be bullies around other bullies. Like, God, it’s just so much.

Laci (01:21:50):

This is going to be expensive. You better fucking fry me chicken. I’ll go get the chicken. But you’re going to make it.

Matt (01:21:55):

I love this though. I love, he’s like, all right, well let’s get inside and get to fucking no sense standing around and together they say, slow foot roosters in a fuck fall. I will never not laugh when two people say a non catch, like a non-famous saying,

Laci (01:22:12):

Like you and your dad saying you’re a fool.

Matt (01:22:15):

Yes. Like what the fuck does that mean? Okay. The next day the sheriff runs into Charlie and he’s like, come over here, Charlie. Hey, you’ve got those fireflies. You keep ’em there at your place. We’re coming to get ’em tonight. And if you don’t do it, I’ll shoot you down.

Laci (01:22:32):

I’ll squish your fingers. Yeah,

Matt (01:22:36):

Okay.

Laci (01:22:36):

Alright, I’ll do it then.

Matt (01:22:38):

And he tells Danny Trejo and DDP, he’s like, listen, keep him alive just long enough so I can piss on him. And Danny Trejo is like, listen, sheriff, you’re using a bazooka to exterminate roaches. To exterminate roaches. You have to think like a roach to kill a roach. Laci’s always saying this when there’s a roach in our house, she says,

Laci (01:22:56):

She’s like, everybody down,

Matt (01:22:57):

What does the roach want down? I’m like, what? Does the roach want

Laci (01:23:03):

The bottom of a refrigerator?

Matt (01:23:05):

Yeah. It’s a hard thing to answer.

Laci (01:23:07):

Everyone acts like the bottom of our refrigerator. Hum.

Matt (01:23:13):

Finally

Laci (01:23:14):

Baby takes a bath

Matt (01:23:16):

Finally. Yes.

Laci (01:23:17):

Yes.

Matt (01:23:17):

And I start to feel a little bad for her. Like, oh, she was just taking a bath. She wasn’t doing anything evil. Maybe she was, we just don’t see, you don’t have

Laci (01:23:23):

To be medieval, medieval.

Matt (01:23:26):

No. Hold on a second. It’s fair. She has done enough bad stuff. But like Charlie and Cutter, they’re snorting coke together. I can’t say Cutter without

Laci (01:23:36):

Sounding saying it like that Cutter.

Matt (01:23:39):

They’re snorting coke together. And then Charlie goes to the bathroom, he’s like, I’m going to leave you alone now. No reason. And then he leaves and then the sheriff comes in and he is like, here I am motherfucker. And then meanwhile, DDP and Danny Trejo come in and they take the other kids or the, they take baby and Otis hostage as well.

Laci (01:23:59):

I do wish they’d shoot them in their limbs a few more times. At least you don’t have to kill ’em. Just make them not mobile.

Matt (01:24:05):

That’s the thing. Yeah. You’re planning on torturing them. Yeah. You immobilize them right away. Shoot ’em in the legs.

Laci (01:24:13):

But later on, he gets some kind of rise out of chasing her around. And it’s like you’re not as fast as smart as her and you brought her to her fucking turf. You idiot.

Speaker 3 (01:24:22):

This

Laci (01:24:23):

Is wanting to torture the guys from TCM two by bringing them to their underground layer. Who’s going to fucking know how to get around in here better than us?

Austin (01:24:32):

Exactly. The people that live there stupid on a T day basis to

Matt (01:24:36):

That point, cutter says to him like, you’re going to kill me. You need to just kill me and make sure I’m actually dead. If not, we’re going to the

Laci (01:24:43):

Whole thing.

Matt (01:24:43):

We always seem to win. It seems like we always find a win force, a wing. So he takes the three fireflies away in his cop car and Charlie’s like, Hey, I’m sorry, but business is business. So they go back to their compound, to the Firefly Ranch, and he has them all tied up in chairs. Does Sheriff Ell? And he gives them a speech about how he’s from a long line of devil slayers. As

Laci (01:25:09):

Soon as the speech comes, as soon as the speech comes, he’s like, Nope, they’re alive. They’re fucking getting out of this one. This guy can’t shut up.

Matt (01:25:15):

That’s the thing. And he’s like, I tried to walk the path of righteousness, but I realized I tried to walk the line, but I realized there is no line, guys. This is the inevitable conclusion of American Empire and carnage.

Laci (01:25:26):

Oh, thank you.

Matt (01:25:27):

We’re going into the Middle East to destroy it because, but in doing so, we just make things worse. We exist in an eternal feedback loop with violence. We cause the violent people to escalate and then we have to escalate in response. So ell, he’s like, I’m going to staple photos of your victims onto you. And then he literally crucifies Otis drives nails through his hands. And that’s very deliberate imagery from Rod Zombie.

Laci (01:25:56):

I just noticed baby’s pants are around her legs. What the fuck?

Matt (01:26:00):

No, no. You’re looking at a stool with

Laci (01:26:03):

Pants on

Matt (01:26:03):

It. No, I don’t think those are pants. Sorry. Austin. Oh,

Laci (01:26:07):

It’s a stool full of pictures. It looks like blue jeans down around

Matt (01:26:09):

Her. We’re trying putting our slideshow up for

Laci (01:26:10):

Us. Sorry. Usually when we’ve had a slideshow this whole time. And usually though when we do that, it makes the guest lag. So that’s why we didn’t do it. But

Matt (01:26:18):

No, it does. It does. This screenshot I have, looks like she has her pants pulled down. But no, there’s a stool in front of her with I think a stack of photos on it, but yeah. Oh, the photos of their dead mom. He’s like, look, I killed your mom like you didn’t kill mama. He’s like, no, I swear I did. I totally did. So he sets the house on fire and then he sets baby free. He also is just totally demented and is just like, I want to play with my prey. You guys do it. I want to.

Laci (01:26:50):

But why her? Because she’s the most like the mom.

Matt (01:26:53):

Why her? Yeah. It has

Laci (01:26:54):

To be that, right?

Austin (01:26:56):

It has to that

Laci (01:26:57):

She’s her mom’s angel.

Austin (01:26:59):

That’s what he said. Yeah. Maybe that. But maybe she will put up the least amount of struggle, at least amount of fight, maybe.

Laci (01:27:09):

No, you’re right. He can overpower her, he thinks.

Austin (01:27:11):

And

Matt (01:27:12):

Also the patriarchy.

Laci (01:27:13):

Well, he did tell the mom, I’m going to fuck your angel.

Matt (01:27:19):

Oh, okay. There you go.

Austin (01:27:20):

That’s true. Yeah.

Matt (01:27:21):

Isn’t she an angel? But she makes it into a barn and Charlie is there. He’s like, Hey, I’m sorry I betrayed you, but now I’m un betraying you. I’m going to help you here, get in this car. But no, the sheriff is there with an ax and he kills Charlie, and then he’s chasing baby with the ax. And then all of a sudden, tiny from the beginning of the movie returns. And I was like, oh, right. That’s how the movie started. Now, here he is. He just snaps the sheriff’s neck and that’s that. And she’s like, daddy and my brother, I forget his name or inside, go get him. So they do, and they’re all fine. And they get into a car and they leave tiny behind for whatever reason. They’re like, we’ll miss you, but we’ll come back for you. Maybe.

Austin (01:28:04):

Probably.

Matt (01:28:05):

Okay. And so now Laci keeps getting madder with every scene. She’s like, why won’t this movie end? This is a long movie. I feel like this movie shouldn’t be longer than 90 minutes.

Austin (01:28:15):

Yeah, it’s almost two hours. It’s a bit long.

Matt (01:28:20):

I think horror movies really, really have to earn it if you want to go above 90, 90

Austin (01:28:25):

Minutes.

Matt (01:28:25):

Oh, I agree

Austin (01:28:26):

Wholeheartedly with that.

Matt (01:28:28):

But Freebird starts playing and this whole movie has been full of expensive music.

Laci (01:28:33):

And I’m like, this is Rob Zombie using his fucking industry connections. These are a lot of expensive songs. And if you’re going to get the rights to fucking Freebird, I’m like, just settle in. This is going to be a seven minute scene. They’re not going to not use the whole goddamn song. Yes.

Matt (01:28:46):

Especially

Laci (01:28:47):

Because of the crescendo thing. Part’s so good. So we’re just going to watch this car drive for six.

Matt (01:28:52):

Do you know what my six and a takeaway was?

Laci (01:28:53):

Fucking minutes. What?

Matt (01:28:54):

Money Well Spent. It’s a good song.

Laci (01:28:55):

It’s a good song.

Matt (01:28:56):

It’s like, Hey, that’s a good song. But they’re like driving cross, cross country with this song playing and it’s intercut with video footage, like home video footage of them being happy together, A wholesome family. And the song, I’m as free as a bird. This bird you cannot tame.

Laci (01:29:11):

No, it’s just the three of them though. It’s them dreaming about it. It’s not what’s already happened. These are the only three left alive. So we can’t see the mom and the other brother that wouldn’t make sense. We’re supposed to think they’re about to be okay.

Matt (01:29:23):

Okay. The effect is the save of having to literally look at these monsters as still a family who love each other and look how sweet they are together. But they’re as free as a bird. This bird you cannot tame. They have rejected conventional morality, rejected your bourgeois values, and you’ll never stop us. Never, never, never. Oh shit. A police blockade. And so knowing they’re going to die, they take out their guns and they haul ass and they take out some cops. It’s too, and I think it’s cool as hell I this ending.

Laci (01:29:54):

I like the ending.

Matt (01:29:55):

And plenty of Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid, the Wild Bunch, Bonnie and Coly, they end this way.

Laci (01:29:59):

Thelma Louise.

Matt (01:30:02):

That doesn’t end with them shooting cops though,

Laci (01:30:04):

Right? Yeah. But they end on their own terms by killing themselves

Matt (01:30:07):

To

Laci (01:30:07):

Get away from the thing that they’re

Matt (01:30:10):

Not

Laci (01:30:10):

Wanting to run into.

Matt (01:30:10):

So I guess Butch and Sundance do that too. Were

Austin (01:30:13):

You more happy with the ending because you liked the ending or because the movie was just done and over with and you didn’t have to do this anymore?

Laci (01:30:19):

No, I liked that they were all dead. I was going to be pissed if they were still alive. I needed, that felt like the right ending to me.

Austin (01:30:27):

Boy, you’re really going to hate that. There’s a sequel to this movie where they’re not all dead. What

Laci (01:30:31):

The fuck From hell.

Matt (01:30:35):

Which like 14 years later, he made

Austin (01:30:37):

That one. Yeah.

Matt (01:30:39):

Yeah. No. See, at this point, I had fully liked the movie. Laci and I were very divided on the movie. And I think that my annoyances with the way Zombie just Rob Zombie, and this is his second movie, I’m sure he got really matured as a filmmaker because I thought Lords of Salem was great, directed really, really well. As this movie goes along, I feel like he’s not doing as many young filmmaker tricks,

Speaker 3 (01:31:06):

Just

Matt (01:31:06):

Settling in and letting things play out in front of the camera. And I just love his ending. And it’s just a classic sort of Western outlaw ending. And then the movie’s over,

Laci (01:31:16):

Therefore, that he’s going to play the credits over a road shot, a shot of a drone going down the road. So this ends and I’m like, oh, good. It ended and then cut to the fucking drone footage of the road. I’m like, no, no. Oh, credits okay. Oh,

Matt (01:31:32):

But then directed by

Austin (01:31:32):

Rob Zombie, we’re Okay.

Laci (01:31:34):

Yay.

Austin (01:31:35):

I love how it starts with the bang and ends with the bang. You start with a shootout. It ends with a shootout cyclical plot.

Matt (01:31:57):

So we’re going to go around the room and give our final thoughts and star

Laci (01:32:00):

Ratings. Doc, I didn’t do that.

Matt (01:32:01):

Starting with, I know it’s weird that we’re doing this. Stop

Laci (01:32:04):

Picking on me.

Matt (01:32:06):

Austin, what do you think star rating and sort of final thoughts, synthesize everything we’ve said over these. Oh,

Austin (01:32:11):

Okay.

Matt (01:32:11):

105 minutes.

Austin (01:32:13):

So on a basic level, I just enjoy the cast, the soundtrack that Rob Zombie puts in there. I like the gritty camera work. And I think it’s shot on 16, maybe 35. It’s shot on film, which I love.

(01:32:29):

I just love how the movie’s put together as a whole. And again, it’s just about this curmudgeony villainous family who you shouldn’t be rooting for, which I’m sure most people aren’t rooting for, but weirdly, I am. I do feel like they try to make Sheriff Wiell worse than them because what we’ve been talking about, how he is the law and should just be putting them in jail, but it’s just this gritty, raw, just disturbing film that for some reason works for me. I rate my stuff on letterbox, so I don’t know if I assume that’s what you guys used. Yeah, so for me, like I said, my only real problem is the whole, that motel scene. It’s my only flaw with it. So for me, it’s a 4.5 out of five. So we’re near five star, which is probably very a lot higher than I’m assuming you guys rated it. And that’s totally fine.

Laci (01:33:18):

Well, you skew to the high end in all your ratings though. You’re just a very nice person.

Austin (01:33:24):

I am very generous with my ratings.

Laci (01:33:26):

You are. You give half stars based on one good detail.

Matt (01:33:32):

I always think I’m too generous. I look at my ratings, I’m like, I gave that five stars. Jesus. Is it your favorite Rob Zombie movie?

Austin (01:33:42):

No. Severely Hot Take. Halloween is my favorite of his. And why I like it more than the original is because I saw that one first.

Matt (01:33:52):

Whoa.

Austin (01:33:53):

Yeah. I saw Rob Zombies before I saw the 70 Eights. And when you get an explanation for Michael Myers and you’re like, oh, that’s cool, and you go back and watch John Carpenter’s and you’re like, there’s no explanation. Yeah.

Matt (01:34:06):

That’s why it’s good.

Austin (01:34:07):

Yeah, exactly.

Matt (01:34:08):

I don’t want an explanation.

Austin (01:34:10):

Exactly. And I was like, I already got the explanation. Why didn’t he explain it? So I saw them. Totally. Yeah. My history with horror is very, very bizarre.

Matt (01:34:19):

That is a hot, hot

Austin (01:34:21):

Take. Oh, that’s probably my hottest take. Yeah, that’s probably my hottest take. But I still think the original, don’t get me wrong, the original Halloween is still a very good movie. I think I’ve given him it like a four or four and a half out five. So it’s still a fantastic movie.

Matt (01:34:35):

Even you saying that is a scorching contest. Jesus. Okay, you are touching. You are walking on hot coals. My God, I can’t stand it.

Austin (01:34:42):

I know he loves black Christmas. Okay, God, I can redeem myself in other ways. Just give me a movie that I should be rated five stars and I’ll say that. Is

Matt (01:34:51):

That right? No, no, no, no, no. I appreciate the hotness of the take. And I like that you defend it and yeah, so often when did we see things and then they just, it’s sort of the premise of being Laci’s podcast of our podcast, our podcasters. They just get into your brain and they won’t go away.

Laci (01:35:12):

We are not purely logical people.

Matt (01:35:15):

And I’ve always appreciated with his Halloween that because he’s a filmmaker with a distinct style, he puts it in there. It’s a Rob Zombie Halloween movie,

Laci (01:35:23):

And I will enjoy that about a director any day, a signature.

Matt (01:35:27):

It’s what I say that I want from directors all the time. Even if I don’t like you, even if I don’t like your movies, I love that. I can tell it’s your movie. And I do like Rob Zombie. I like him as a person. I give this movie three out of five stars. Talking about it, I think maybe is making me bump up my,

Laci (01:35:43):

That happens a lot

Matt (01:35:44):

With that, my reading, because mostly I’ve said things that I like. I think I was so brought down by the motel sequence, which goes on for a long time, that I was having a tough time engaging with the rest of the movie. But I do think there’s political commentary here if you’re looking for it. I think it being made at the height of the Iraq War is not a coincidence. And that it’s sort of hearkening back to movies that were not explicitly about Vietnam but made during Vietnam. And so we’re commenting on Vietnam and we just exist in this endless cycle of violence and we’re never going to be able to get out of it.

Laci (01:36:23):

Moral depravity,

Matt (01:36:27):

I gave Lords of Salem four stars. I gave this three stars, but it was really fun to talk about. And I will watch House of a Thousand Corpses. I think that seems more my vibe. I do just carnival freak shows and in this movie, I love his commercial Captain Spalding commercial.

Austin (01:36:41):

I have an idea for the future here. You guys have never seen House of a Thousand Corpses, right?

Laci (01:36:48):

No, I have, but I do not have any memory of it

Austin (01:36:51):

Except for that. Since we’re doing the history of horror on my show when 2003 comes around, maybe I have you guys on in 2003 and we talk about has a thousand corpses. Just an idea to throw out there.

Laci (01:37:01):

I love that. We

Matt (01:37:02):

Have to wait until 2003.

Laci (01:37:05):

Wait, but how many episodes is that? Yeah, let him do it the way he wants to do it. Matt, you fucking wiener.

Matt (01:37:11):

No, my joke was that it’s going to be 2003 again in the real world.

Austin (01:37:14):

Oh yeah. We’re going to come back full circle. Back to 2003. It’s won’t be a minute.

Matt (01:37:20):

No, no. We’d love to do that. That’d

Laci (01:37:21):

Be great.

Matt (01:37:22):

All right. Absolutely. Laci, final thoughts on star ratings?

Laci (01:37:29):

I’m between a 2.5 and a three because I also skew higher. I care very much about rewatch ability, but I can still give a five star rating to something that I will never watch again. And I’ve done that before. But would I recommend this? It depends on who you are. I don’t fuck it

Speaker 3 (01:37:49):

2.75.

Laci (01:37:51):

I dunno. Is the payoff worth getting through? What does not pay off? I don’t think I can Lily pad on this movie. I don’t think I can wait for the good, but it does make me wish I could see them in different settings. So maybe I would like Three From Hell or where the fuck,

Matt (01:38:08):

Like the Civil War?

Laci (01:38:10):

Yes. No, I want to see what else these characters do without the hotel scene.

Austin (01:38:17):

I think you guys are probably going to like House of a Thousand Corpses a lot more because it still has the depravity, but it’s not nearly as fucked up and heinous as this movie is. He really?

Laci (01:38:28):

I like fun depravity. Yes. With Texas Chainsaw. I clearly like that. It’s just that I think he made it too real in this movie. The tone was all over the place for me.

Austin (01:38:42):

Yeah. Okay. Yeah. I love it. I love it.

Matt (01:38:45):

We love talking to you and we want to encourage everybody to check out the Fright Mayors podcast wherever you get your podcasts. And we also have links to Austin’s social media in the description. But tell everybody one more time about your podcast.

Austin (01:38:58):

Alright, so Fran Mary’s podcast, I think this year is season seven. We’re doing the history of Horror from 1975 to 2025. One movie a year. Again, I’m not sure when this is coming out, but we’re doing the eighties now, so we’re doing, the next month is The Howling Poltergeist, Christine and Firestarter, those are the next four coming out. A couple Stephen Kings in there. A lot of good stuff. And yeah, you can follow us on Facebook, Instagram, TikTok slash app, all at F MA’s podcast. If you want to email me, shoot me a line. It’s stay spooky@outlook.com. I think that’s it.

Laci (01:39:32):

Well, you have been a pleasure.

Matt (01:39:33):

Yes. And now I hesitate to bring this up. I was like, I wanted to tell this story because of something that I don’t know what it’s, I’ve been wanting to tell this story on the podcast for a long time and I don’t know if it should, this might get deleted. What? Okay. I was listening to your episode about Deep Red Dario Argento ISS Deep Red.

Austin (01:39:51):

Oh

Speaker 3 (01:39:51):

No.

Austin (01:39:52):

Yeah.

Matt (01:39:52):

Okay. No, my story is just about that movie because I’ve seen that movie a couple times. I always have struggled with it. I like other Argento movies, but okay, I learned about this movie. I told you guys my film Snob upbringing would not have brought me to Italian horror. That would’ve seemed like beneath the likes of Roger Ebert. So the way I learned about his movie Deep Red is I was working in a law firm

Speaker 3 (01:40:23):

On

Matt (01:40:23):

A divorce case

Speaker 3 (01:40:25):

And

Matt (01:40:25):

I had to go, this couple was getting divorced and I had to go through their text messages to find evidence of the wife being unfaithful to the husband. And so the person she was being unfaithful with, the person she was having sex with was her brother. So I was reading all these very intimate and sexy texts between a brother and a sister. But they’re also just talking about things they like and they talk about horror movies they like and they mention Deep Red. And so I wrote that down. I was like, I should check that movie out.

Laci (01:40:55):

How have you never told me

Matt (01:40:56):

This? I think I have.

Laci (01:40:58):

Well, I understand why I deleted it.

Matt (01:41:01):

So in a conversation between a brother and a sister in between their sexts and stuff, I got a nice little movie recommendation from it. Wow. That is, that’s my story about Deep Red.

Austin (01:41:10):

That’s the most out-of-pocket way to hear about Italian. Wow.

Matt (01:41:16):

And I was not prepared for that movie. I had no understanding of what it would be. I was like, why does it sound like this?

Austin (01:41:22):

Anyway, Italian horror, check

Matt (01:41:25):

Out Fright MAs everybody and check out Dario Argento movies and check out load-bearing beams on social media load-bearing pot on Twitter, TikTok load bearing beams, Instagram load bearing beams, blue sky load-bearing beams. And we don’t know what our next episode is. We’re recording this a few weeks ahead of time. So Enemy Mind, the 1985 Wolfgang Peterson directed film starring Dennis Qua and Louis Cassa Jr. Under a lot of makeup.

Laci (01:41:51):

Check out our severance series.

Matt (01:41:53):

Yes,

Laci (01:41:54):

We fucking rocket at that. If you like the show severance, you will like our weekly recap. You will. You just will

Matt (01:41:59):

Just, we’re different. Just do it and we can find us on Letterboxd. MattStokes9, LoadBearingLaci. Follow Austin on Letterboxd as well, why don’t you.

Laci (01:42:09):

Austin Proctor, what is your name? Dr. Proctor.

Austin (01:42:13):

Dr. Proctor. That’s it.

Matt (01:42:14):

And the music on Load Bearing Beams is by my band Rural Route Nine. And including the song you’re hearing right now. Links in the description. That’s it. That’s the end of the episode.

Laci (01:42:23):

Okay. I love you. Goodbye.