Enemy Mine (1985)

Matt (00:00:22):

Hello, this is Load Bearing Beams. I’m Matt Stokes.

Laci (00:00:24):

And I’m Laci Roth.

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And listen, Laci,

Laci (00:00:26):

Oh fuck.

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I don’t like you and you don’t like me,

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And there’s no way we’ll become best friends on this deserted planet.

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I’m pregnant.

Matt (00:00:41):

Oh my God. That person you hear laughing on the other end is Who is it?

Kota (00:00:47):

What’s going on

Matt (00:00:47):

Guys? Hi. Screen Time Kota. Triumphantly returning to the podcast. Was last with us for William Shakespeare’s Romeo + Juliet and…

Laci (00:00:58):

It’s movie plus math.

Matt (00:00:59):

That’s right.

Laci (00:01:00):

That’s why I liked it.

Matt (00:01:01):

That’s right. You have brought to us a movie called Enemy Mine that I had barely heard of. Wolfgang Peterson’s, 1985 Sci-fi action epic / domestic drama.

Laci (00:01:11):

Classic. Classic domestic drama. Yes.

Matt (00:01:14):

And neither Laci nor I had seen this movie, I in fact had only learned of its existence when we did our Never Ending Story episode in 2023. And I was researching Wolfgang Peterson, Hare Wolf Gong, I call him and learned of, what is this movie? Dennis Qua and Lewis Gossett Jr. On a planet or something. So tell us what your relationship is with this movie and why you wanted us to talk about it.

Kota (00:01:37):

So my relationship with this movie, I was 15 years old and my mom bought me this movie along with a couple other movies for Christmas, and it was one of the last movies that I watched with her before she passed away. And so it’s been a long time since I watched this movie. So my history with it is just, it’s got a very emotional impact on me. It’s a movie that resonates with a time in my life that I felt was just genuine and I don’t ever will never get back kind of thing. And so I cherish this movie and I’m so glad to actually speak about it. It’s been a while.

Matt (00:02:18):

So it’s not a movie that you’ve seen over and over again, it’s just

Kota (00:02:21):

No, keep a certain I have not seen this movie in 20 years.

Matt (00:02:25):

Oh wow. Okay.

Laci (00:02:26):

I get that. It would be hard to revisit something that just opens all those senses that just take you right back to that time. Yeah.

Matt (00:02:37):

But it seems like it is a bit of a cult classic. It has a following, and a remake is an active development. Everything, a remake of everything is an active development. But

Kota (00:02:47):

I am just now finding out about this and I do not know how I feel about that. Man,

Laci (00:02:52):

It’s not good. They won’t do it right.

Matt (00:02:54):

No, I forget his name. The person who was the showrunner of Star Trek Picard for seasons two and three, which are the good seasons. He is developing it. Again, everything is in development and whether anything actually happens, I don’t know. But I mean to me, not knowing anything about this movie, but knowing it’s a sci-fi movie directed by Wolfgang Peterson and having just come off the Never Ending Story, I’m like five minutes into the movie and I’m like, there’s no way I’m not going to like this movie with the production design, with the models and the matte paintings and the puppets and the makeup.

Laci (00:03:27):

As soon as I saw the Fucking Turtle Monster, I’m like, Matt loves this. God. We watched it apart because of schedule stuff, but as soon as I saw the thing, I’m like, oh, Matt loves this movie,

Kota (00:03:35):

But a remake today, I call that the Vagina Turtle,

Matt (00:03:40):

The Sex A, the remake would never do any of those things. So it’s like, what is the point of doing that?

Laci (00:03:45):

Right. And when you said never ending story, and that’s the first time I’m learning of it, I’m like, oh my God, this is never ending story. Yes, I see. I mean just the set pieces, the way it feels empty but full really of things that people really worked hard on, but there’s still this vastness to the world, a big empty planet. So it feels lonely and the way that the landscapes in never ending story are full, but feel lonely. I don’t know. I feel like I could make an echo in every set

Matt (00:04:17):

Because we watched this separately. I was about 30 minutes into the movie and thought, Laci’s going to hate this.

Laci (00:04:22):

I was like, what the fuck did Kota

Matt (00:04:25):

Bring

Laci (00:04:25):

To my goddamn house? What is this?

Matt (00:04:27):

You get mad when I say you don’t like sci-fi, but you don’t. I mean, it has to be a certain kind of sci-fi. When I say like, oh, the production design, I’m orgasming over how great it looks.

Laci (00:04:38):

No thank

Matt (00:04:39):

You. You say, I don’t care about that stuff. But then it turns into a very human story and I thought, okay, she probably will like this. And then it gets really sentimental. And I thought, she’s really going to like this.

Laci (00:04:51):

I don’t know that it made me really like it more, but as soon as it was about two guys, I was like, yes.

Matt (00:04:57):

So how did you feel about it revisiting it, Kota?

Kota (00:05:02):

I loved every second of it. I thought it was going to hit me on an emotional impact. I didn’t know if I was going to be ready for it,

Laci (00:05:11):

But

Kota (00:05:12):

Honestly, it felt genuine. It felt like

Laci (00:05:16):

Cathartic.

Kota (00:05:16):

It was. It was stepping back in time for a quick two hours and it was really good. I enjoyed it, especially more as an adult as well. You really resonate with the characters in a sense. If you have kids and stuff, you can resonate with Dennis Quad’s character will, especially when he becomes the father. There’s a lot to love about this movie.

Matt (00:05:49):

It is. And it’s also one of those movies, weirdly Baby Boom. The movie we covered a few weeks ago is kind of like this too. That neatly divides halfway and then becomes a different movie. But that’s also a movie about a person who wasn’t expecting to inherit a baby and then it transforms them.

Laci (00:06:04):

Yeah, that lady room is about that.

Matt (00:06:07):

But that movie was about yuppies in New York in the eighties, and this is about spacemen in the 1980s. I will say, and this is, I’m sure this is a boring opinion. I seem to say this a lot. I think that the first half with Louis Gossett Jr. Is significantly better than the second half of the movie. And I was noticing when I watched it a second time, there’s just weird pacing things that happen once the kid is born, it starts to haul ass with plot development. Now he gets rescued, now he’s up in the Space Station, now he’s back on the planet now there’s minors and all kinds of stuff is being thrown at you. And I think that the kid is really cute and I like their relationship, but it feels really, really rushed. Does anybody feel that way?

Kota (00:06:52):

Oh, go ahead, Laci. Oh,

Laci (00:06:53):

I was just going to say, I think that’s why I tolerated it so much. The long buildup, the work that it took to build a relationship with someone that you think is your enemy, that was very earned. It felt like the right pacing for this that needed the time. And you fall in love with a kid as soon as it comes out of your body or as soon as you realize you’re in charge of it. So I think maybe the experience of being a parent is it goes slow, but it goes so fucking fast. I’m not saying the movie did that intentionally, but it needed to pick up where I was going to. I didn’t need another long drawn out relationship building thing. I can buy this parent child relationship very quickly. So Matt, I don’t care what you think.

Kota (00:07:38):

I’m sorry Matt, but I got to agree with Laci. It felt like, I mean, you think about your life, right? Me and my buddy were actually talking about this yesterday. So you remember when you were a kid and when it came around time for Christmas. Christmas felt like years December took ever. Yes. Especially the last month and a half and such. But then once you hit puberty, time goes fast. It just starts flying by. Next thing a year feels like a month and then all of a sudden you’re adult and time is moving even faster.

Matt (00:08:15):

So I feel like we’re almost to Christmas again. It’s only February. Yeah,

Laci (00:08:18):

January makes me me feel like the summer’s here. Yeah.

Matt (00:08:22):

We’re already stressing out about the summer. I have to write and record a theme song for our summer mini series. You’re going to have to get childcare arrangements. Yeah, it’s terrible. Life is terrible.

Kota (00:08:32):

And especially when you have kids, it feels like as your kids are growing older, it’s just going by so quickly. And so I feel like Laci said she doesn’t know. We don’t know if it’s an intentional way that they did the ending, but that’s what it felt like. It felt like it’s going fast because he’s going fast. He’s trying to raise this kid, he’s trying to save this kid. He’s trying to nurture this kid and keep him from harm. And the kid is just curious. I want to meet my own people. So sorry Matt, but I agree with Laci.

Matt (00:09:06):

Well, you bastard, but we’ll talk about this before we get to that part of the movie. That is where I feel like the movie gets a little sloppy and I feel like I’m seeing a lot of reshoots, especially because now Dennis Qua is clean shaven with a new haircut and then this ending where you don’t even see the characters that’s just extra standing in front of a painting where this narrator comes in who you’d never heard. And he is like after all that they went to the planet and it was good. Okay. Goodbye. It feels like, feels like

Kota (00:09:31):

I’ll agree with that, David. I will agree with that part. I was watching it. I was expecting the narrator to say more and it just ends and the credit pops up and I was like, he doesn’t say

Laci (00:09:42):

And you don’t even see the characters. Come on, let’s actually talk about it.

Matt (00:09:46):

Alright, fine.

Laci (00:09:47):

Fuck.

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Oh, we have a patriarch was like, what? Want to tell Matt your slide misleading? I

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They’re not going to do

Matt (00:10:53):

It. I’ll later on. Alright. History. The history of Enemy Mine. This is a movie where there’s not a lot of information about it, unfortunately. No oral history, no nothing. But I was able to piece together some stuff. So this all started as a novella by Barry Longyear, an American sci-fi author. Published it as a novella within a magazine. Isaac Asimov Science fiction magazine. And it went on to win the Hugo and Nebula Award. So let make it a movie

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And it’s an international production co-production between Fox in the US and some international European studios. They hire to direct Richard Lawn Crane. Okay. This is a movie that replaced its director mid production. It’s one of those Richard Lawn. Crane is this British TV and movie director. He directed the 1995 Richard III movie. He directed the Paul Beney Tennis Romcom Wimbledon. And they started shooting in Iceland and the studio immediately got concerned because the budget was immediately going over and they said he didn’t seem to know how to shoot in different kinds of weather. We couldn’t edit anything together. I have a quote from Louis Gossett. He said he kind of directed himself into a corner because of the weather. He couldn’t shoot anything that matched. We would still be there. So the studio halted production fired Lon Crane and then wondered whether they should just cancel the movie altogether. But they had already paid these two stars and they had pay or play contracts, which means we’re paying you no matter what.

Laci (00:12:55):

Nice.

Matt (00:12:56):

So instead they said, you guys hang out for six months, we’ll pay you while we get a new director. And they bring on Wolfgang Peterson and we have an extensive bio of him and our never ending story episode. But he made a big international blockbuster with DA Boot in 1981. And then from a 1985 interview of Wolfgang Peterson in the Boston Globe, he said when they presented this script to him, he said quote, I’m not the fan of Stalwell science fiction. I thought I would hate enemy mine. But after reading the script, I realized that there was more going on than just to shoot ’em up in outer space. I really was very much impressed with the script, but I had too much to do. That’s when they offered to stop production until I was done with the never ending story on the footage that was already shot. He said all the magic was gone. Lou Gossett Jr. Looked like a man in a rubber lizard suit. And Iceland looked like Iceland. You always had a feeling of a human inside something and the feeling of the foreign planet was missing. So they, sorry,

Laci (00:13:56):

I just want to point out that you do have a screenshot of never ending story on the screen and fucking, I want to defend myself from earlier. Does that look like a bunch of stuff to look like inside of a big thing of vastness?

Matt (00:14:09):

I don’t even know what you mean when you say that.

Laci (00:14:10):

It just looks full and empty at the same time.

Kota (00:14:13):

I thought I was having a stroke there for a second. I was like, hang on, repeat that.

Laci (00:14:16):

Nope.

Kota (00:14:18):

I knew it

Matt (00:14:19):

A thing and a thing of a vastness.

Laci (00:14:22):

He has this ability to make sets that feel like, yeah, there’s a lot that you built here. There’s a lot of stuff to look at, but I feel alone and there’s so much empty space the world will render if I keep walking in it. So fuck yourself. Both of you

Matt (00:14:38):

Enjoy fucking yourself. I tell him about a compliment or not.

Laci (00:14:40):

It’s not, but it’s a style.

Kota (00:14:42):

Actually. I know what you’re saying. So it’s like just looking out in this space, there’s so much out there, but at the same time it’s so

Laci (00:14:49):

Empty. Empty. Right, exactly. So it’s full of pasta. It just seems like he knows how to spin money and cluster it, but then doesn’t exactly know what to do with the idea of what the place is literally supposed to be in the story. It’s a large place, but how do you fill all that space? And maybe it’s because these movies were done in the eighties as well. It feels like set pieces.

Matt (00:15:13):

The thing about both, so you always say set pieces, you just mean set.

Laci (00:15:17):

Sorry, I just mean set.

Matt (00:15:19):

Well, I mean that’s why I like them. That’s why they’re charming. I know. I’m looking at a real thing and I’d say the best thing about both of those movies is the production design and the sets. And I feel the emptiness, which I feel is

Laci (00:15:30):

Intentional. Yes. Because in both of these movies, these characters are alone. They can only rely on each other and then eventually only on themselves. And you’re supposed to feel lonely. And I feel like these movies would be great as a double feature because together they make each other more interesting and just makes me more interested in him. These kind of stories he likes to tell.

Kota (00:15:54):

Am I the only one though? Okay. I don’t know if this is just me. I’m a texture person and some things, even if I’m not touching it, just look weird.

Laci (00:16:01):

I’m with you.

Kota (00:16:02):

So never ending story and enemy mine. The scales and the slime on the dragon or on the drag always just didn’t sit right with

Laci (00:16:16):

You. No, no. It

Kota (00:16:17):

Always grosses me out.

Laci (00:16:18):

Well, because look at the bumps on the dragon, right? It’s mixed in with the fur fucking gross. And then the teeth horn things that are coming out of the face of the co-lead.

Speaker 4 (00:16:28):

It

Laci (00:16:28):

Take me a long time to get over. You have try Tobia my friend. Look, Google that and you will exactly see what grosses you out. Then you’ll know you have it. Try.

Matt (00:16:38):

Oh shit. Yeah,

Laci (00:16:38):

It’s a thing. Oh man.

Matt (00:16:40):

It’s actually phobias.

Laci (00:16:42):

What I said,

Matt (00:16:42):

It’s just the fear of small dots.

Laci (00:16:45):

The fear. The fear of organic small dots, not just dots.

Matt (00:16:50):

Okay. But if they made this in CGI today, I don’t know these movies, these two movies are going to look better in a hundred years than anything that comes out today.

Laci (00:17:00):

I think they look great. Matt, what are you hearing?

Matt (00:17:02):

That you don’t like them because they’re gross looking. No,

Laci (00:17:05):

You’re a fucking moron. I can’t help that. I have this thing in my mind that makes me, I’m saying that these puppets are so effective. These costume choices are so effective that I can get over it.

Matt (00:17:17):

Okay.

Laci (00:17:18):

We watched Spice World the other week and you couldn’t get past baby sucker.

Matt (00:17:22):

No.

Laci (00:17:22):

And that’s just because it wasn’t as strong. Man, this has strong

Matt (00:17:26):

Design. You did tell me that after you watched me baby place alone.

Laci (00:17:29):

Yeah, I do. But you like to hear my negativeness and you decide you don’t. I can say something negative but end in a positive fucker. I

Matt (00:17:36):

Got you.

Laci (00:17:37):

Do you?

Matt (00:17:38):

So while they took the big hiatus, the big thing, they did a couple of big changes. One totally changed the drag makeup and costume for Gosset and they built new sets. They moved the production to Munich, although they did some location filming in the Canary Islands, but then they filmed it on sound stages in Munich. Alright, let’s briefly talk about the actors. We got Dennis Quaid, who was aged 30 years old. Laci. He is six feet tall. Thank

Laci (00:18:04):

You.

Matt (00:18:04):

His breakthrough performance. Well just what do we all think of Dennis Qua in general? If we’re thinking about Dennis Quaid at all, what do we think

Laci (00:18:11):

Of him? My opinion went up of him for this movie. I feel neither here nor there about him, honestly. And now I’m like, what a sweetie. What a good acting chopped sweetie and those packs.

Kota (00:18:27):

You can’t go raw with Dennis Qua. I mean he’s solid. Qua is just, he’s the top of the food chain when it comes to actors. He’s just such a great fucking actor.

Matt (00:18:37):

The top of the food chain when it comes to actors.

Kota (00:18:39):

Yep, yep. I’ve said

Matt (00:18:40):

That. He

Kota (00:18:40):

Said he’s a snack man.

Matt (00:18:41):

He is a snack. He’s a snack. He’s a snack pack. I always think of him as kind of a failed movie star.

Laci (00:18:48):

I think of him as a B-list. Harrison Ford.

Matt (00:18:52):

Well, as somebody who they thought would be a movie star, but it never really worked.

Laci (00:18:56):

Yes.

Matt (00:18:57):

And so he just had to settle into being a character actor.

Laci (00:18:59):

He has the looks and he can act.

Matt (00:19:01):

And this is this movie. He carries this movie,

Laci (00:19:04):

And

Matt (00:19:05):

This is in a run in the eighties. The other big sci-fi movie is Innerspace Joe Dante’s Innerspace. But he’s also super charismatic and carries,

Laci (00:19:12):

He’s captivating,

Matt (00:19:13):

But for some reason it just didn’t work. He had substance abuse problems too.

Kota (00:19:17):

He came back in the substance as say substance abuse. You’re so right.

Matt (00:19:23):

He needs to be taking some substance though. The substance. Then maybe. Well, okay, so breaking Away in 1979, the right stuff in 1983. And then of course the Star of Jaws 3D, a big movie for me.

Laci (00:19:38):

I was going to mention it,

Matt (00:19:39):

But Dreamscape Enemy Mine and Innerspace was like the test of him as a leading man skate. None of them really

Kota (00:19:45):

Hit

Matt (00:19:45):

Dreamscape.

Kota (00:19:46):

We just watched That’s the popular club.

Laci (00:19:48):

Yes. I was like, wait,

Kota (00:19:49):

Why do I, yeah, we did that for Popcorn Club.

Laci (00:19:51):

Wow. Yes, he’s good at that too.

Kota (00:19:54):

Never

Matt (00:19:54):

Seen it.

Kota (00:19:54):

I just know that was a weird movie. Isn’t

Matt (00:19:56):

It supposed to be an Indiana Jones clone?

Laci (00:19:58):

No, no. It is very

Kota (00:19:59):

Weird. No, no. It’s like early eighties, the Cell with Jennifer Lopez in a sense. Yes. It’s like that. It’s weird, but it’s good. Shout out to Monique’s movie. Mad Monique’s movie

Matt (00:20:11):

Madness. Well, I mean, I think he’s really good in this movie. I think one of the traits a movie star needs to have is can you carry the screen by yourself? And he is, I mean, he’s acting with other actors, with gossips and then with the kid in the costume later. But for a lot of it, he’s by himself and he’s very compelling. I think I was seeing, he’s not quite a, Kurt keeps reminding me of Kurt Russell, but not getting there. I prefer Kurt Russell has just an edge that he can’t have here, but maybe he makes up for it with the warmth. Never thought

Kota (00:20:40):

About that.

Laci (00:20:41):

The warmth is where

Kota (00:20:42):

I never thought about that.

Laci (00:20:43):

Kurt Russell can’t have the warmth. Oh, Kurt

Matt (00:20:45):

Russell’s

Kota (00:20:45):

Got warmth.

Laci (00:20:46):

He doesn’t have the warmth.

Kota (00:20:47):

Oh,

Laci (00:20:48):

I wanted,

Kota (00:20:49):

Yeah, Dennis Qua got the warmth.

Laci (00:20:50):

Okay, capital’s one. One. It’s the eyes. He got intense eyes.

Matt (00:20:56):

He’s got that smolder. He’s smoldering. He is smoldering. It’s true. So Louis Gossett Jr. Who just died last year,

(00:21:03):

I think if you combine the stage, the movies and tv, you could say he’s one of the very most important actors of the 20th century. Big star on stage in the sixties and seventies. And then he won an Emmy for Roots on TV in 1977, won best supporting actor Oscar for an officer and a gentleman in 1982. He was the first black man to win best supporting actor and then kept being a super prolific actor up until, let’s see, the Color Purple was the musical movie remake from a few years ago was his last role. And then he also got an Emmy nomination for being on Damon Off’s Watchman a few years ago. But he is,

Laci (00:21:41):

Was he the old, was he the blind man?

Matt (00:21:42):

Yes.

Laci (00:21:42):

Yeah.

Matt (00:21:43):

What a performance from him in this movie under all that makeup.

Laci (00:21:46):

Amazing.

Matt (00:21:48):

That is, I didn’t know he was six four. Yeah, he’s six four.

Laci (00:21:51):

This is why I get mad to tell me these

Matt (00:21:52):

Things. He’s such a physical actor in this movie. He’s constantly crouching and squatting

Laci (00:21:56):

And all that makeup. Dude, how

Matt (00:21:59):

Are you able to, a lot to give such an emotional performance,

Laci (00:22:03):

His

Matt (00:22:03):

Eyes and draw that bizarre makeup. Yeah,

Laci (00:22:05):

The,

Kota (00:22:07):

Yeah, the burst scene. Oh my God, that brought a tear to my eye.

Laci (00:22:13):

I mean, every time they choose for these characters to cry, I was like, yes, let’s cry. This is sad.

Matt (00:22:19):

This is a good time right now, a good time for this. When the kid cries or when he just has a little tear, he sees the other drs. He’s like, I’ve always wanted to see a Dr. But no, they’re enslaved.

Laci (00:22:30):

I have a hard time with that whole part. But

Matt (00:22:33):

So this movie got mixed to negative reviews, but the movie got a huge marketing push even though the studio wasn’t sure how to market it. Now, I think in retrospect it’s clear you market this as an et sort of movie for the whole family. Instead, they have this poster that’s like, these two fuckers are going to fight. And the studio blamed the poster because

Laci (00:22:55):

Yeah, the title.

Matt (00:22:56):

I looked at this poster and thought I knew exactly what the movie would be. But before I watched it, I was just putting my slideshow together, preliminarily and I Google Image search Enemy Mine, and I see Dennis Quaid holding an adorable alien kid. And I was like, wait a minute. What?

Laci (00:23:12):

Right.

Matt (00:23:12):

So yeah, it was a flop. It was big box office flop, but remake in development and we will all be boycotting. We’ll be throwing stones at the movie theater when that inevitably opens. And that’s the history of

Kota (00:23:27):

Here’s the only way I would love to see the remake actually work. Get Jack Qua to play

Matt (00:23:34):

With a natural thing to do.

Laci (00:23:36):

We’ve been saying this where the only way we want NPO babies is if they exactly replace their parents. It’s the only way we’ll take it.

Matt (00:23:44):

I know. Why do we need new actors to have opportunities? No, no.

Laci (00:23:48):

We can have

Matt (00:23:48):

Their

Laci (00:23:48):

Spawns

Matt (00:23:50):

And Louis Cassa Jr. Is there a junior Junior that we can

Laci (00:23:53):

Get? Yes. I want a third.

Matt (00:23:55):

Yeah, I was thinking though there is a lot of good mythology in this movie that’s under explored, and so I could see maybe turn it into a six episode mini series. There’s the stuff with his alien race. I thought this is pretty meaty stuff for, this is kind of heady sci-fi right here. All the questions. It’s asking about gender and sort of individualism versus living as a community. I don’t know. There’s stuff there. There’s stuff.

Kota (00:24:22):

There’s stuff. I think if they were to do it as a TV series or a mini series, I think it would work really well. I feel like they could, like you said, there’s a lot of lure and myth into this film that they can explore a lot more. And I think a TV series that they were to do it would probably work the best than a remake movie.

Matt (00:24:42):

Obviously there’s a ton of Star Trek vibes here because the tracks feel like Klingons in a way. I mean, they’re less militaristic, but they have this whole honor code. And maybe I’m just saying that because literally a black man in makeup and that’s what the Klingons were. But I could see it like that. I could see it being a sort of ongoing Star Trek federation and Klingon thing. I don’t know

Kota (00:25:06):

Side

Matt (00:25:06):

Story.

Laci (00:25:07):

I like this idea though of them looking into why were we taught, who did it benefit for us to be taught that we are enemies? And then it only took us interacting for a little while to realize we were both fed lies. So I just think it’s an interesting place to pick up from is where we leave off in the first movie. I’d take that.

Matt (00:25:32):

Yeah. I

Laci (00:25:34):

Want to see, I mean it’s very white savior if you do it that way.

Kota (00:25:39):

So are you saying like a prequel?

Laci (00:25:43):

No, just to pick a direct sequel. Is that what they call it?

Kota (00:25:46):

Yeah,

Laci (00:25:46):

When it picks up. Right. Where it off a

Kota (00:25:47):

Sequel or something like Yeah,

Laci (00:25:49):

Or just something about the sun and an uncle trying to change things politically amongst their

Matt (00:26:01):

Races. So Laci said white savior and I think there is a little bit of that, but I was pleasantly surprised that it’s not like the literary trope of somebody who goes native. That’s not what happens. He doesn’t decide their society is better than mine. He just loves an individual and wants to save that individual. He doesn’t defect. He doesn’t end the war. He has no opinions on the war really. He just becomes very personal for him

Laci (00:26:31):

And respectful. He puts it on even. He never stops loving his earthlings, but develops such a respect for the differentness of the direct

Matt (00:26:44):

People. Yes. So the sequel would be him saying like, no, but they’re good. And then the humans would be like, well, we got to fight somebody. We bought all these weapons.

Kota (00:26:54):

We got to fight somebody.

Laci (00:26:56):

Start a

Kota (00:26:57):

World War 17 by this point. I mean

Matt (00:26:59):

That’s why wars happened.

Laci (00:27:01):

This whole ship is a gun boring. What are we going to do with our ship? The ship is just one gun.

Matt (00:27:05):

No, we got to take this out into, we got to put her out on the open road. See? See how she goes. See that fucking

Kota (00:27:11):

Planet over there.

Laci (00:27:13):

Fuck that planet. Slow it up. Yeah. If we don’t get to know that planet, what are we losing? What are we losing?

Matt (00:27:18):

I like the scene where they talk about they can’t even agree on who started the war. They’re just like, well, you started the war. No, you came to this part of the galaxy. No, we’ve always been in this part of the galaxy. It’s like they can’t even agree on basic facts.

Laci (00:27:29):

Right.

Matt (00:27:30):

Because ultimately doesn’t matter.

Laci (00:27:33):

Well, I want to see each of their textbooks

Kota (00:27:36):

And then when he is reading his learning his language, he’s like, this is the same as the language, the book on my planet.

Laci (00:27:44):

Right.

Kota (00:27:44):

So I was

Laci (00:27:44):

Like, same moral lessons. You guys are the same

Matt (00:27:47):

Moral French. I love that is good. That’s my favorite scene in the movie. I want to spotlight that when we get

(00:28:28):

Yeah, this movie opens with that classic 20th century Fox logo, which we love to see. I’ll never stop talking about it. The federal government needs to make Disney sell off the 20th century Fox. It’s a travesty that they own fox. Anyway, Matt paintings models. Oh my God. It’s all happening. And Dennis Quas narration explains late in the 21st century, basically 20 years from right now when we’re podcasting the nations of the earth, we’re finally at peace working together to colonize the distant reaches of space. And then he is like, unfortunately, and we see a dead astronaut float by. He’s like, there were other people there too. The drax. They had squatters rights on the most primo space real estate. They weren’t going to get away with it without a fight.

Laci (00:29:18):

Sounds like colonizing to me baby. You said they had squatters

Kota (00:29:22):

Rights, right?

Matt (00:29:24):

Ours. Oh, that’s okay. Yes. That’s the other big thing. I like that. The story decision is this is not the Dr planet that they go to. It’s basically a neutral site.

Laci (00:29:35):

It’s a neutral

Matt (00:29:36):

That they both switzer arrive on. Yes. They arrive in Switzerland. Some drac ships attack the earth station and Dennis Qua, who plays Will David and his pals, they get in their own little ships and they’re like, let’s go kick some ass.

Laci (00:29:49):

I’m glad this part is quick. I’m like, no,

Matt (00:29:50):

It’s very quick

Laci (00:29:51):

Because

Matt (00:29:52):

Dennis Qua is like, I got this one. Oh no, I’m crashing. And the jack ship that he shoots down, they both crash down onto this planet.

Laci (00:29:59):

I did not expect such an emotional moment to come immediately. The little speech that the best friend gives about make sure no one calls my date, the white balloon. She doesn’t like that white. And he spends his last few seconds being so kind to this for someone else. It’s just like, okay, movie to the man. Where are you going? Got kids that didn’t listen.

Matt (00:30:22):

No, he’s going to get back. What did he say? Will? What did he say? He wasn’t making any sense at the end. I dunno, that’s not

Laci (00:30:28):

True. He would fucking say

Matt (00:30:30):

They just love calling her the white balloon though.

Kota (00:30:33):

Hang on, hang on. Laci. You said he would tell them, but yet when he got rescued later on, he didn’t say shit about it. He had things

Matt (00:30:41):

On his mind going out. There’s a lot going on. Maybe he did. We just didn’t see it. We don’t

Laci (00:30:45):

Have to see it. Right. Get around to it. Fuck. He’s a father now.

Matt (00:30:48):

But Laci, you’re right. This happened so fast and I’m glad it’s a great hook is ship that I shot down and now me, we are crash landed on this planet.

Laci (00:30:58):

Right.

Matt (00:30:59):

It’s

Kota (00:30:59):

Spent no time getting right into it.

Matt (00:31:01):

Yeah,

Laci (00:31:01):

Yeah,

Matt (00:31:02):

Yeah. His copilot, Joey dies in a surprisingly emotional scene now. He’s all alone here on this vast empty planet that looks immaculate. It

Laci (00:31:12):

Does look amazing. He can make time too, too gorgeous. He can walk across that thing like nothing. He gets from hill to hill.

Kota (00:31:21):

It’s like the plane crashed over there, not too far. And you’re looking at it, you’re like, dude, that’s like 30 miles, bro. That’s 30

Laci (00:31:28):

Miles. I’ll get there before that. Second sunset’s no

Matt (00:31:31):

Time. But this is the opposite of Ridley Scott’s the Martian, where it’s like we will use the entire GDP of the earth to rescue a guy from Mars here. It’s like, hey, he crashed on that planet. All right, well fuck him. They never come back for

Laci (00:31:44):

Him. That’s not true. They come back to pilots to collect his body. In fact, that’s a whole career is just going to collect bodies. It’s part

Matt (00:31:51):

Of it. Sure. Takes ’em a long time.

Laci (00:31:52):

It’s part of space exploration.

Matt (00:31:55):

Three years. He says in the voiceover, he says, I’ve never seen a drag in person. I knew they were completely inhuman. Not even male or female, but both bundled together in a scaly, in a scaly reptilian body. So there is a very long tradition, folks of sci-fi that deals with gender. You can invent alien species that in this movie are I think what you’d call ambi sexual, which is they are both male and female. Ursula Lewin’s, the left hand of darkness, the 1969 novel deals a lot with this. And this movie is in that tradition of making you have to examine your own ideas about gender. It’s so interesting when later in the movie Lewis Gossett’s character Jerry. Yes. Jerry says, you humans divided your sexes. The more enlightened way is to be both. I don’t know. It’s interesting. Well, it’s not like the humans chose to do that though.

Laci (00:32:53):

Hey, you don’t know. I

Matt (00:32:54):

Don’t know. Maybe somebody

Laci (00:32:54):

Did. He was taught that they did.

Matt (00:32:57):

We see that furry little turtle thing. The vagina turtle gets sucked into a clac pit. I mean it’s literally a clac pit from return to the Jedi

Kota (00:33:05):

Who was going to sing.

Matt (00:33:06):

Yeah, but its out the,

Kota (00:33:09):

I thought the same thing,

Matt (00:33:09):

Which was only two years old at the time. But yeah, it eats that turtle, spits that turtle out and then burps, even the sarla pit also burps.

Laci (00:33:17):

They do though imply that that’s a drag. I thought that’s what I was saying.

Kota (00:33:22):

Are we boring you Laci?

Laci (00:33:24):

Are we boring you? I yawn. I dunno how to make it not happen. The more I talk, the more I yawn. Fuck off and yes, you’re boring me.

Matt (00:33:31):

Yeah. Oh, okay. No, we’re always on a timer with Laci. She’s like, Sonic,

Laci (00:33:37):

What the fuck did I do?

Matt (00:33:37):

She’s tapping her foot. I’m waiting. Wait. So you thought that the sarlacc pit was a drag

Laci (00:33:42):

Because he says the thing about how they’re scaly and we’re supposed to think they’re like the most menacing thing ever. So the first thing we see is something scaly pop out of the ground and murder something. That’s true.

Kota (00:33:56):

He might’ve done that on purpose because it was right after the narration of it. So maybe that was to give the thought to the audience

Laci (00:34:03):

That

Kota (00:34:04):

This is a drag, this is what they are fearing. And then you meet Jerry.

Laci (00:34:08):

Well, I think we need to be scared by something that’s scaly and out for blood so that we can be friendly and open to this thing that’s humanoid like in its shape,

Matt (00:34:20):

Even

Laci (00:34:20):

If it is scaly and weird to look at.

Matt (00:34:23):

So Will is cautiously, he sees the drac wrecked ship and he’s like spying on it with its binoculars. And he says, I’m glad that Drac son of a bitch is still alive so I can kill him myself. He’s just programmed, I got to hate the Dr. The Drac is my enemy.

Laci (00:34:39):

He killed his best friend. That just happened. Well,

Matt (00:34:42):

Yes, but he was

Kota (00:34:42):

Well, I mean, Dennis Quaid killed his best friend. He told him we should just go. And he still went after him. I’m just saying,

Laci (00:34:50):

You know how it is though. You got to blame somebody, even if it’s him, he still got to put his anger someplace.

Matt (00:34:56):

You were in your vessels. It’s war.

Laci (00:34:58):

Oh my God.

Matt (00:35:00):

But he sees the drac is swimming in a pool or whatever. And so he’s like, while he’s swimming, I’ll pour gasoline or something into the water and then shoot it. And he does or no? No, he drops his gun and it makes a loud noise. And that’s where the drag becomes aware of his presence. And this is our first look at Lou Gossett in the makeup. It looks outstanding, but the weather on this planet is so volatile. It starts pouring rain. And there’s a nice little moment where we see both of them just opening their mouths up to drink the rainwater, but then they set the pool on fire and the drag emerges and then captures him and ties him up and they start talking. They start talking to each other.

Laci (00:35:42):

It does seem that Dennis Qua knows a little bit of Drac, I mean knows enough to tell that he is saying his name to him. And then I don’t know, they must be aware of just the most basic words.

Matt (00:35:57):

I figure it’s like the Cold War where Americans knew basic like ah, net.

Laci (00:36:02):

Right, right. He’s pulling things out of what Jerry is saying and going, okay,

Kota (00:36:06):

I’d be the guy that just sits there and talks and like, Hey, hey, go outside.

Matt (00:36:14):

I’d had be terrible at this. I don’t like the gesture. I don’t even like the talk. I’d just be like, you don’t get it. Okay, that’s fine.

Laci (00:36:21):

You would walk away. You’d walk away. I’m going to go survive on my own things. Okay. I don’t know how to tell people I need

Matt (00:36:26):

Stuff. Good life. See you later. So yeah, he gets tied up and he is like, you got to feed me something. So the Drac gives him this weird looking slug thing and he reluctantly eats it. It’s pretty funny.

Speaker 5 (00:36:39):

But

Matt (00:36:40):

They start gutterly talking to each other and for some reason will hears his name and decides, I’m going to call you Jerry because it sounds vaguely like what you said. What is his real name? Is Jerry ba Jba shit

Laci (00:36:53):

Looking at you Kota

Kota (00:36:56):

Jabal. It’s something like that. I know it starts with a J.

Matt (00:37:00):

All right.

Laci (00:37:01):

Do you think it starts with a Jerry?

Kota (00:37:04):

You think maybe they were pretty much just having one of those macho, man, I’m tougher than you watch me eat this slug. You want to laugh? I’ll eat it. I don’t care.

Matt (00:37:17):

I love it. Yes. I love the way that Louis Gossett talks as him before you start saying words. He does the trilling,

Laci (00:37:24):

Which

Matt (00:37:24):

Sounds so cool. So musical and cool and so alien.

Laci (00:37:29):

And turns out it is singing.

Matt (00:37:31):

It’s

Laci (00:37:31):

Just that part of their speaking is singing,

Matt (00:37:33):

Which I always love when I find that out about an alien because that is the thing that happens is like, oh, that’s part of our language is singing. But yeah, later it starts raining meteors. So Dennis Quad’s like, you got to let me out. So Jerry does cut him loose and they go run into a cave together and then kind of almost cuddle together. Very sweet. But then will wakes up, sees that Jerry is asleep and sees the knife and he’s like, I could kill him right now. But he decides not two.

(00:38:06):

And so the next morning he goes out to the alien ship and he sees these weird jello things and he starts gorging on them. And then Jerry comes out and he’s like, Hey, that’s my jello. And he’s like, no, no, no, don’t kill me. You owe me. I saved your life. And so at this point, they start basically working together because they have the meteor showers and they need to build a shelter to protect themselves even though the perfectly good cave is right there. They don’t seem to realize they can go into the cave for another hour or so. And understanding each other proves that difficult. But Jerry makes will do all the work he has to carry all the supplies up into the forest and stuff.

Laci (00:38:42):

That’s kind of fucked up. But is it because he’s pregnant? It might be. Yeah, it might be. Because we don’t know how long the GE gestation period is.

Matt (00:38:52):

He

Laci (00:38:52):

Just knows that this human will not take serious. He waits till the right time to explain this because he would’ve given him shit for it and not appreciated what it really meant.

Matt (00:39:02):

Do all DRS die when they give birth? Or does something just go wrong for him?

Laci (00:39:06):

Something went wrong for him.

Matt (00:39:07):

Yeah,

Kota (00:39:07):

Because he even states that something’s

Matt (00:39:09):

Wrong. Oh, that’s your clue is when he says something’s wrong. There you go. That something is wrong.

Kota (00:39:14):

Isn’t that anybody’s clue? Hey man, something’s wrong. Okay, something’s right. You got it.

Matt (00:39:19):

He starts building this house and then he is like, huh, how about that work? Huh? Solid. And Jerry’s like, shit. He’s like, it’s not shit. How dare you? And he’s like, shit. And then the thing topples right then and there. Okay, so there’s a lot of back and forth about you’re ugly. No, you are ugly. I’m not ugly. You are ugly. It’s funny little banter. I like this thing. I think we mentioned this earlier where they’re talking about trying to get something done. And Dennis wait says, the old saying is, if at first you don’t succeed, try again. And Jerry says, you learned this from the great drag teacher Schiz Ma. And he says No from Mickey Mouse. He’s a great Earth teacher. Now I love, I’ve realized this is a thing that happens whenever it happens in fiction. I love it. And I like in the real world when it happens, when you find out that the story of Cinderella is in both European fairytales, but also in Chinese and Japanese fairytales when there would be no, it’s like they just sort of independently came up or in Stephen King’s the Dark Tower series, which I’m reading right now and takes place in a sort of parallel universe that’s not our own. And yet the song, Hey, Jude exists. And that kind of creeps me out when I think

Laci (00:40:35):

About it. It should always exist.

Matt (00:40:37):

Where did it come from? It

Laci (00:40:38):

Just is

Matt (00:40:39):

Will goes hunting. He kills a turtle, they eat this turtle, they start talking about how their species are different. And any lazy Do you want to share at all?

Laci (00:40:51):

Sorry.

Matt (00:40:54):

I mean this is just a section of the movie where they’re trying to get stuff done, trying to understand each other and sort of debating the differences between their peoples. The DRS are more communal, they’re more, they’re just less individualistic.

Speaker 5 (00:41:12):

Lineage

Matt (00:41:12):

Is very important to them

Speaker 5 (00:41:14):

Because

Matt (00:41:14):

The idea of where connected we’re part of something much, much bigger than ourselves. They can’t really agree on how the war started or who started it. But Jerry keeps talking about the great shiz and Will says the great shiz Ma eats shit. And then he gets really mad at him and he says, well, Mickey Mouse is one stupid dope.

Laci (00:41:37):

It is interesting. Everything, I guess to keep themselves safe to drag people do not share their stuff with outsiders. It’s like a big honor to bestow on them to tell ’em about his lineage and stuff. And so at first I’m thinking, oh, of course this fricking American Earthling is going to insist that this guy learn English rather than him learning his language. And then I’m like, oh, okay. No, they don’t let people in on this. And the fact that he knows Drac, it freaks out everyone. Everyone knows significant the Drac people know it’s significant. Everyone on this ship know that. And it just doesn’t happen. It takes a very special relationship to be let in that much.

Matt (00:42:18):

Yeah, you literally wear it on your person. The book of secret knowledge.

Laci (00:42:23):

Well, even just to be able to speak their language though, he gives it, I think he saves his life or does something good. And he’s like, I will repay you by teaching you my language.

Matt (00:42:35):

He saves him from the Lac pit. And this is kind of where their relationship turns around and they become friends and they realize that these turtle shells, well we could build our house out of them. So they build a house out of turtle shells and he starts learning. He asks Jack to teach him the drag language and he does. Well no, first he’s like, no, no, schiz ma is too good for you. Remember what you said about Schiz

Speaker 5 (00:43:00):

Ma?

Matt (00:43:01):

And he says, Dennis Qua says, well, have you forgotten what you said about Mickey Mouse? And Jerry says like, I’m so sorry that was wrong. I didn’t mean it. I like that this isn’t played for laughs. They play totally sincerely.

Laci (00:43:14):

They really are equally matched. They just, I don’t know. I think they go toe for toe very well with the Earthling playing kind of the dope when you probably should.

Kota (00:43:28):

Their relationship just felt genuine as it was growing. It felt very genuine and not really, you can feel the chemistry as best friends. Friends growing into best friends. And I really love that.

Laci (00:43:44):

Yeah. And that Dennis Qua is not constantly making fun or rolling his eyes. He’s really into it. He seems in awe of the stuff he’s learning. They seem to really respect each other.

Matt (00:43:57):

I like when he starts teaching, they read from the Talman, there’s this quote, if one receives evil from another, let one not do evil in return, rather let him extend love to the enemy. That love might unite them. And Dennis Quat says, yeah, I’ve heard all this before in the human. And I think that’s so interesting that it’s like, yeah, we have these ideas too. It’s just we don’t really care about them. We don’t take them seriously. Yeah, you’re not saying anything I’ve never heard before. It’s just that my people don’t care about that shit. So that does seem like a pretty significant

Laci (00:44:27):

Divide. It goes to his point of being divided as a people, because we take a religion, then we take once, we don’t like something in it, we make our own religion and say it’s different. And then we keep dividing, keep dividing until religion and things that are said and are sacred, mean, fucking nothing. It’s all marketing.

Matt (00:44:46):

It’s customized to your specific needs.

Laci (00:44:48):

So yeah, he’s heard these lessons before, but because there’s 15 Gods dishing this out. No one earthling gives that much shit about it or really feels like it all came from one place. So there’s not one thing to, it’s not sacred the way it is for the direct.

Matt (00:45:07):

That’s true. But who have kept it, even for Christians, the words of Jesus are very basic. Like love thy neighbor, decrying

Laci (00:45:15):

People

Matt (00:45:16):

Who are rich.

Laci (00:45:18):

But we have spent so much time ignoring the parts we want to ignore and believing the parts. We want to believe that it can all feels a bit meaningless and everything’s fair in love and war. It’s like, yeah, I’m not supposed to kill my neighbor unless it’s a drag or whatever. It’s just, it all goes out the window. But it seems for the drag people who it’s a big part of them to all believe this same thing, you can see them taking some kind of trite thing like that and be like, no, no, you’re not supposed to do the bad thing. You just did a bad thing. I could just see you taking it much more

Matt (00:45:53):

Seriously. And he says, the reason you haven’t learned it, the way we’ve learned it is the words of shiz must be sung. And he starts trilling his song. But it’s like the message and the language are intertwined, which I’ve heard people say about Islam and Arabic that you can’t,

Laci (00:46:12):

Well, that makes sense

Matt (00:46:13):

That you could only truly understand it if you speak Arabic because they’re so one in the same, the message and the way the message is presented. But this is, yeah, it’s just such a great scene in the movie. My favorite scene in the movie and all of it is in front of an immaculate matte painting of the sky.

Laci (00:46:29):

What do you keep calling it? A matte painting?

Matt (00:46:31):

Yeah. It means that I myself painted it.

Laci (00:46:33):

What does it mean? A

Matt (00:46:34):

Matte M-A-T-T-E. That’s the material that they use for movies. That’s

Laci (00:46:37):

Okay. Just like a stupid thing to say why? I dunno. You’re dumb.

Matt (00:46:43):

Why? What?

Laci (00:46:44):

I don’t know why, Matt. You just are. Okay, keep going. You’ve just said it multiple times and it confused me every time. And now I know what it means.

Matt (00:46:52):

I’m sorry you don’t know something.

Laci (00:46:53):

Just call it a lacy painting. Move it on.

Matt (00:46:57):

And what about a coat of painting? What the fuck? No, no alternate. So

Kota (00:47:01):

You’re

Matt (00:47:01):

Right. It starts meteor showering and they have to run to their hut for its first real test, but Jerry’s not able to run as fast and will gets really upset with him. He’s like, come on fat ass, why are you so lazy?

Laci (00:47:13):

I was confused as to where this came from. And Jerry just takes it and it’s never dressed until it is. And I’m just like, why is he acting like that? To me, it looked like Jerry got hurt. Not that he’s just assuming he’s fat and lazy. He might’ve stumped his toe. And

Kota (00:47:28):

It also, it shows you that right then and there as Dennis Quad’s character Will is just yelling at him, calling him a fat ass, calling him lazy and all this such, it shows that the DRS people, even in that confrontation, they still will not argue back, yell back, or even try to fight. They’re not a confrontational people. It shows you right there. He just, like you said, he took it. And of course you find out why shortly after. But it’s like it shows you what kind of, when shit goes haywire, us humans are the ones that are going to get

Laci (00:48:07):

Hotheaded

Kota (00:48:08):

Catastrophic and hotheaded and stuff. And these people, they’re just trying to survive.

Matt (00:48:15):

They have a physical tussle right here. But it’s Dennis Quaid who starts it.

Laci (00:48:18):

Yes. And well, and Jerry can’t fight back physically. He could get hurt. The baby could get hurt, and he’s not ready to tell what’s going on with him. And these preconceived notions that will has been fed, that they’re lazy. I mean it echoes.

Matt (00:48:36):

Oh

Laci (00:48:36):

Yeah, yeah. He’s letting will do all the work. And I’m sure Will’s thinking at typical drought, but it’s like, no, I have my reasons. There are good reasons. You are just such a typical Earthling that you’re too dense to take them seriously right now. So I’m not going to tell you about what’s going on with my body. You could use it against me. And even worse, you could not respect it and I would have to fucking kill you except for I wouldn’t.

Matt (00:49:02):

They have another of their debates about who started the war, who wants to conquer the universe. And Jerry says, yeah, humans, they spread like a disease. He says in his favor, he’s like, we’ve settled twice as many planets as you. And he’s like, yeah, exactly. That’s my point. But then after the meteor shower is over, Dennis Quat says, I’m going stir crazy. I have to leave. I have to go explore. And it kind of proves exactly what he just said. Yeah, you have to move. You have spread for whatever reason, you’re just your programming. But still, I don’t think the movie has a position that it’s one side is good and the other is bad. This isn’t Starship Troopers where you realize that the humans are the bad guys. The bad guy is just war itself. So he leaves to go

Laci (00:49:47):

For it. Ideology itself. That’s the bad guy.

Matt (00:49:51):

The bad guy is ideology.

Laci (00:49:52):

Yeah.

Matt (00:49:53):

So will leaves to go find something. I don’t know. Got to find something.

Laci (00:49:57):

Just supposed to see if he’s the only one on this planet

Matt (00:49:59):

Besides

Laci (00:50:00):

The other guy he’s been with

Matt (00:50:01):

And he finds a Pepsi can and he’s so

Laci (00:50:03):

Happy. I love that Pepsi, can I want that? Pepsi can.

Matt (00:50:06):

It does look delicious.

Laci (00:50:07):

No, I don’t want to drink it. I just want to own it. I want it to be behind me.

Matt (00:50:09):

I want to drink it and I hate Pepsi. But if it came in a future can hell yeah.

Laci (00:50:13):

So he goes out and he does find signs of people have been around and then there are people who are part of his culture. So he gets excited, he sees familiar objects, but then he quickly realizes, oh fuck, this is scavengers. Scavengers are people that we tolerate because they go ahead and kill the drag forest by enslaving them and using them for their ability to work hard and their athleticism, I’m guessing, but I need to go tell my favorite drag about this. So he doesn’t come wandering out here and become enslaved. He’s like, fuck, it’s safe for me to walk around. I’m a colonizer. I’ve got the face of the winner. I need to go save my friend who will be fucked.

Matt (00:50:55):

Yes.

Laci (00:50:56):

He realizes I think in that moment like, oh, this is not a fair fight.

Matt (00:51:00):

So he goes back to the hut and he is like, Jerry’s like, Hey, what’d you find? He’s like nothing but Laci. He doesn’t tell him what he found.

Laci (00:51:07):

He doesn’t tell him, but he goes to protect him.

Matt (00:51:09):

Okay.

Laci (00:51:09):

He doesn’t want to tell him and scare him. He just wants to be with him. So he doesn’t go wandering around.

Matt (00:51:14):

But it is a very nice scene where Jerry’s just like, I’m happy you’re back. And he’s like, oh, I’m happy. I’m back too pal. This is, I’m sure that there is a queer reading of this movie, especially as it gets into the gender stuff. And now when he reveals he is pregnant, he is awaiting a new life. Look, here’s my stomach, this is where my baby is. And they both laugh and kind of celebrate. Celebrate as if they are a married couple who are about to give birth. But he’s also like, there’s this pattern to the drag life. You live your life and then you have a baby and your life is about your baby and the continuation of the species.

Laci (00:51:56):

You have a duty. You have a duty to keep. If you are one that can breed, then you have the baby.

Matt (00:52:03):

And he is sowing baby clothes for the baby because he is going to name the baby Zais. But while they’re asleep, that Slac monster comes through their floor and strangles Jerry is going to eat Jerry, but will wakes up and saves him in time. And then the hut is basically collapsing. So they have to make it to the cave. They get to the cave, all is good in the cave. But Jerry, his health is deteriorating. So Will is like, tell me about your lineage to keep him distracted. And he does. And then he explains, if I die, I’m going to need you to remember my heritage so that you can teach it to my baby. And then one day present my baby at the Drac Council and recite the baby’s lineage.

Laci (00:52:44):

And this is probably when the whatever went wrong, went wrong. I think he’s just staying alive through sheer will to let the baby of the best chance at surviving, I think. Yeah. He starts dying here. He’s already passing on the lineage thing.

Matt (00:53:01):

And I love this moment where he asks Dennis Quaid to tell him about his own lineage. And he’s like, well, my dad made computers and my mom was a waitress. And then Jerry recites it back to him and it’s like son of Dolores, the waitress and Bert, the computer Carl. Carl who made, but he now makes it sound very noble and regal even though it’s very ordinary, but it’s just kind of beautiful to think of your own life in terms of being part of something much bigger and grander.

Laci (00:53:30):

It’s very smart to do it so that he can understand just in that moment of like, oh, this is why you’re doing it. I do feel connected to my grandpa all of a sudden when I haven’t thought of him in forever.

Matt (00:53:41):

Doesn’t even know

Kota (00:53:41):

I really, yeah, I really love that. It felt sad at the same time though, because it was like, you’re seeing Jerry already, things aren’t looking too good. And so when he asked that, it was him being like, now we are connected. We are not just best friends. We’re like family now. And I really love that scene.

Matt (00:54:07):

And like Laci said, that’s him making him realize this is why it matters. And maybe if you thought of yourself, if you thought of yourself as part of a larger thing, you would feel more connected to both the past but also the future that you owe something ethically and morally to the people who are going to come after you as well.

Laci (00:54:26):

That’s why it’s very touching at the end. When I knew that he would fulfill his promise and make sure that Zoom’s gut was connected to his people by reading the lineage in front of whoever, but that they even added will to their lineage because he had shepherded a Zoomie boy and he became part of their urlings are never going to feel this way about their lineage. But you did your duty and now you are part of VARs forever.

Kota (00:54:59):

Laci, I’m sorry, you kept saying Zoomies.

Laci (00:55:01):

Is it Zoomies? Zaza.

Matt (00:55:05):

Zais. Zoomies.

Kota (00:55:07):

Not Zais. Yeah,

Matt (00:55:09):

Zombies.

Laci (00:55:09):

Zombie that said zombies. Okay. Whatever. Zoomies. When he first

Kota (00:55:14):

Said it, I was like,

Matt (00:55:16):

Okay,

Laci (00:55:17):

You can just tell me. Okay, zombies, zombies,

Matt (00:55:19):

But zombies is coming. Here he comes and Jerry’s like, something’s wrong. Will says, no, nothing’s wrong. All women get nervous when they go into labor or pregnant people. It’s like, Hey, pregnant people. Interesting. Basically says at this point, listen, I’m buddy, I’m dying. You’re going to have to take care of this baby. Write this down. Go to the drag council, recite lineage. Here’s the lineage. Are you listening?

Laci (00:55:43):

He’d already taught him the lineage. He’s smart. He’d been dying this whole time and he’s just now, he’s like, I’m literally about to die. This baby is cooked enough to it out of the oven,

Matt (00:55:52):

But Will is devastated. Like, but I can’t be alone. And he says, well, you are only alone within yourself. All humans are. It’s just the way that you think about yourselves. And certainly I think about myself that way and I know that know that we are all happier when we’re together. The more we get together, the happier we’ll be. You might say.

Laci (00:56:12):

I guess you have to be a sarcastic asshole

Matt (00:56:15):

About that because know, I can’t even say it.

Laci (00:56:17):

You’re a human.

Matt (00:56:18):

Yes, I know. No, I know. The thing we actually require to be happy is to be deeply connected to each other, and yet the antibodies in my system resist that. I’m like, I want to be by myself. Leave me alone.

Laci (00:56:30):

You’re just real sigma.

Matt (00:56:32):

Yes, I’m very Sigma. Yeah. He dies and well, I like that. I like the Dennis Quas like, no, no, no, you’re going to be fine. Just keep pushing or whatever you got to do. Right. Whatever you got to do. He really gives him no instructions about this baby though. He’s just like, here, get the baby out of here. That’s all.

Laci (00:56:48):

I don’t know. I think Jerry’s really smart in how he understood. Will right away. He knew Will could not handle knowing that he was dying this whole time or Will would not have been paying attention, will would’ve been trying to get him healthy or trying to figure out how they could get off the planet. He would’ve been completely distracted. What he needed to focused on is learning this stuff about Zais and my culture because you need to pass this down. You need to focus. I already know I’m dying and you’re going to be his dad. But if he would’ve told Jerry that Jerry wouldn’t have, it’s not in him, he would’ve found a way to make it about something else.

Matt (00:57:28):

That is a great point, and I feel like right now on the planet with climate change as this inevitable threat, people have the Dennis Quaid reaction of like, no, no, no. We’ll build an arc or something. We’ll go live on Mars. We’ll, Terraform, Pluto, I don’t know. Rather than what are we going to do to make this better for the people who come long after we’re dead, but nobody can think in terms like that.

Laci (00:57:49):

Well also, we’re spending our time building these things and thinking of these things and we’re not spending any time together. What Jerry was able to do is make, will just totally focus on him and Jerry focused on Will, and they built this bond that made it to where it would’ve, he was a great caretaker for zombies

Matt (00:58:11):

Starting with getting him out of that womb. He just rips it open and pulls out this thing like a crab that when this happened, I had no idea this was coming. I was legitimately stunned at what the movie was now turning into because I assumed this was going to be they’re enemies, now they’re friends, and now, ooh, the human armies back and he has to make a choice. That’s what I assumed was going to happen, and in a way it kind of does, but I just assumed this movie’s all about the relationship between these two men, not also a baby.

Laci (00:58:38):

Right.

Matt (00:58:39):

But this little baby puppet comes out in cos and Dennis Quaid is grossed out, but also falls in love with it.

Laci (00:58:45):

I don’t think he’s grossed out. Little bit. Is that grossed out? No,

Matt (00:58:47):

Not a little bit. He goes, ew, I, but the baby squeezes his fingers just like you babies do. Aw. Did you guys notice that when the score gets really sentimental, the sting sounds a lot like a whole new

Speaker 5 (00:58:59):

No.

Matt (00:58:59):

Alright. No, but again, he was not given any instruction on what to do with the baby. What do you feed the baby? How often does the baby sleep? He just tries to here try to eat this. Okay. No. Okay. But it seemed to be working out.

Laci (00:59:24):

Well, he figured out he needs to chew it for the baby. Like, oh, babies can’t chew. So good.

Matt (00:59:28):

Yeah. Okay. The movie is now hauling ass at this point, which I think is a little bit to its detriment.

Laci (00:59:35):

How long did you want this movie to be?

Matt (00:59:37):

Well, you, I’m not the screenwriter. You got to figure out your pacing, man. I don’t get paid to do that. We get a few scenes of him struggling with the baby, but then they get passed out and he’s like, now I’m just happy with my child.

Laci (00:59:50):

I like that.

Matt (00:59:51):

Yes, I like that too. The kid grows really fast, is first played by a puppet, but is now played by an actor and the child Zaist calls Dennis Quaid uncle, and he comments on like, Hey, we don’t have the same number of fingers. What’s up with that? And Will has to tell him, well, I’m a human and you’re a drag, and the kid can’t even comprehend this.

Laci (01:00:12):

Yeah, he doesn’t have a mirror. I mean, he just sees his

Matt (01:00:16):

Reflection

Kota (01:00:17):

In water.

Laci (01:00:18):

Well, right. But that’s when he goes to look for it. He just sees uncle’s

Matt (01:00:21):

Face. Well, but even if you know look different, you’re like, well, as far as I know, there’s people and there’s only two people in you and me, and the only thing thing that matters is that we’re people, and this is certainly race, everybody knows race is a social construction. If you outside, if you removed externalities, this is how kids would think about each other. So it is a little bit of a glimpse at the utopian idea that we could all could learn to love each other and see what we have in common, absent outside forces. But then the scavengers arrived, A spacecraft arrives, and when Will sees that, it’s

Speaker 4 (01:01:03):

The

Matt (01:01:03):

Scavengers pirates. He goes and tells zombie, he’s like, okay, stay the fuck away from there. If you’re ever moving in that direction, immediately stop and turn around. The kid’s like, okay, I understand. Not

Laci (01:01:15):

Really. Well, as soon as he says your father or your parent was my friend, that’s when zombie says like, oh, okay, so humans and Drs can be friends. I’ll just go do that. That’s why he leaves.

Matt (01:01:32):

Okay. I mean, that makes sense. The movie doesn’t make that very, it doesn’t really make it clear why he amus then runs off by himself to go,

Laci (01:01:39):

Well, because you’re not an adopted child who’s never seen your own.

Kota (01:01:42):

Exactly. Come on, Matt reflected. It was explained. He was curious about his race and humans and he’s like, oh, they’re working together. Wait, they’re not working together. Right.

Matt (01:01:52):

No. So I know, but I think a more full screenplay would be like he’d have the scene where he understands this is the rule, and then he has to get tempted or he has to see another scene of contrast with him and Dennis Quaid. Now it’s like, I really just need to go look at my own people. Instead, it just happens right away and it’s fine. But Dennis Quas like, look, you can’t go be with humans one day. You’re going to off this planet. You’re going to be back with your own people and you’re going to forget all about me. And he’s like, I won’t forget you uncle. And he’s like, okay, I guess not. I won’t forget you either. Then

Kota (01:02:28):

I guess not. Guess not.

Matt (01:02:31):

So it was obvious. Yeah. Goes to the human camp, some pirate bastards see him

Speaker 5 (01:02:37):

Fuck with him,

Matt (01:02:37):

And he sees that they have enslaved Dr. Other Drs. This is the first time he sees Drax at all. At first he’s like, and then realizes they’re enslaved and he cries. Then these pirate assholes see him, they start taunting him. He tries to run away, but he can’t. Then his quake arrives, shoots one of them dead, but then they shoot him and leave him for dead.

Laci (01:02:57):

And I’m terrified of what they’re going to do with Zaomi because they already thought he looked like he was a little too pampered. And then he scratches him and I’m just like, this kid is fucked. I don’t even care if you get him back. He’s traumatized. He’s fucked. The movie doesn’t deal with that so much, but whatever. He looks dead to me. I did like

Kota (01:03:19):

This qua looks pampered right here too.

Laci (01:03:21):

Oh yeah. But the way that this is so interesting, maybe I haven’t watched enough to see if this is an idea that’s ever been used before, but you just see this wreath and floating in space and this body bag and you’re like, oh, okay. That’s a nice little ceremony. And then you realize it’s a Disney ride of, it’s just this recording that a conveyor belt with a body comes on. They read what religion that the person is. They just hit a button, pump out a wreath, say a recorded thing, throw the body out in the space.

Matt (01:03:52):

No, they’ll see which,

Kota (01:03:53):

Well, it’s another like a shotgun.

Laci (01:03:56):

Yeah. And a body like a fucking

Matt (01:03:58):

Yeah, yeah, yeah. They see what religion you are, so they’re like, okay, Lutheran ashes is dusty, blah blah, blah.

Laci (01:04:03):

They’re not saying it.

Matt (01:04:04):

No, I know. I know. It’s just funny that they note that. I think one of agnostic, it’s like, okay, even better. And they don’t even give him a wreath.

Laci (01:04:11):

I’m like, well, fuck him. What the hell? His makes the most sense.

Matt (01:04:15):

No. Yeah. This is a great, this movie has little great sci-fi ideas that it just kind of has in there for texture that it doesn’t really want to explore. And that’s why maybe this would be a fertile ground for a series or a sequel or a remake or whatever, but they think he’s dead for whatever reason. They don’t check his pulse or anything. And then he jumps up and he is like, I’m alive. And they’re like, oh my God. They haul him off to do medical tests on him.

Laci (01:04:39):

Well, because speaking Drac, which just isn’t a thing.

Matt (01:04:41):

Yes. And that I wish the movie had made a bigger deal of this. I was expecting the moment when they talked to him and he is only speaking drag, and we realized everything we’ve seen from him so far with the kid has been him speaking drag. It’s just translated for us. And maybe he doesn’t even remember how to speak English, but now

Kota (01:05:02):

No, that actually he’s

Matt (01:05:03):

Having time for that. Matt. There’s no time for anything. There’s no time.

Kota (01:05:06):

Okay. Matt, you’re onto some right there. That would’ve actually been really cool and maybe they done some interrogation being like, who do you work for?

Laci (01:05:16):

But he ends up on his own ship, so it’s like, oh, us, okay, you work for us. And even the people who were in the other ships when he went down, they’re just there. They’re right there. They come and see him. That’s

Kota (01:05:27):

Him. They’re magically on the same space station.

Laci (01:05:30):

There’s just the one space station. They’s just at the other ships leave it and come to it. Right. It’s the main ship.

Matt (01:05:37):

Yeah. And maybe this army only has 30 people. It’s like the private school I went to, the sixth grade class was 16 kids.

Laci (01:05:44):

Well, this never not come up on an episode.

Matt (01:05:47):

It’s very important to me. Fucking private school. This is the part where I really think the movie is throwing too many elements at us because first the higher ups are like he’s a defector to the goddamn drex. And then his friends are like,

Laci (01:05:59):

No, he not.

Matt (01:05:59):

Will you got to be, come on man. He’s like, I’m getting out of here. Goddammit. Let me have a spaceship. So he just hijacks a spaceship and he’s back down on the planet. We’ve been out on this space station in less than 80 seconds, and he’s back down with a new haircut. It really feels like we’re in reshoots now. And

Kota (01:06:16):

Not one time did he say not call her the white balloon. Not one time.

Matt (01:06:19):

No, he didn’t.

Laci (01:06:20):

You don’t know. It could have happened off camera.

Kota (01:06:24):

He

Matt (01:06:24):

Sneaks

Kota (01:06:24):

Over to, that should be a deleted scene.

Matt (01:06:27):

I didn’t watch the deleted scenes. Well, let’s just assume that it’s Schrodinger’s cat. We won’t know. It’s in a super state. He did or did not tell them not to call her the white balloon. So he sneaks down to that Laci. I swear to God, if you

Laci (01:06:39):

Huff, I will blow this house down.

Matt (01:06:43):

He sneaks. She wants to know about the white balloon.

Laci (01:06:45):

No, I do not.

Matt (01:06:46):

She absolutely does not. She doesn’t want to know anything more about anything except what’s for lunch. He sneaks down to the mining station and breaks into the facility. He gets into a scuffle with one of the jailers kills him, and now the drag slaves see it and they’re like, oh, he’s a good guy. Yay. We like you, your

Laci (01:07:03):

Uncle.

Matt (01:07:04):

One of them speaks English, and he’s like, I know you your uncle.

Laci (01:07:07):

I’m so sweet.

Matt (01:07:08):

Hey, your boy is in there somewhere. Go look for him.

Laci (01:07:11):

Yeah, go look for him in the scariest fucking way to keep a thing in a cage. The things that we keep in these floor cages, they die often. We don’t remove their carcasses. Maybe your boy’s dead. Maybe. That’s so fucked up. That’s why he’s so not being fed. He’s so abused that he’s dormant. He’s alive, but he’s not even coherent. It’s fucked me up. I was not okay with seeing his little body flung around. And I, you

Kota (01:07:42):

Got to also imagine the heat that’s probably going on right there too. I mean, he’s in the floorboard and he got all these fires and such,

Laci (01:07:49):

But he’s cold watered. Hey, you

Matt (01:07:52):

Don’t know that. He’s cold watered.

Laci (01:07:53):

He’s cold watered. He’s cold watered,

Matt (01:07:55):

Cold watered. He actually likes it. He actually likes it. But Dennis Quaid goes incognito and dresses up like Indiana Jones and he’s literally going to liberate kids from a mining slave camp. So it is literally just doing Temple of Doom right now.

Laci (01:08:08):

This is better.

Matt (01:08:11):

Which had only been out a year or so.

Laci (01:08:13):

This is better.

Matt (01:08:13):

He finds Zais in cage, but Zaomi is catatonic like Laci says. And then that guy who captured Zaomi shows up and he is like, Hey Bob, I’m going to, you killed my brother. I’m going to kill you now. And then at this time, the slaves start a rebellion while the army shows up at the same time and they’re about to go do something to the Drex, but the Drs are like, no wait, and this is all going on at the same time. I like it. It’s just a

Laci (01:08:38):

Mess. War is chaos.

Matt (01:08:40):

Okay. You’re right.

Laci (01:08:42):

And the Drex had never seen a human stand up. They’d only ever seen to them, especially a man in that outfit, a man with that branch of the military. Those people love that we’re slaves. This man is serious and we’ve heard of him. His name is uncle. He’s a good human. This is our only fucking chance. This is never going to happen again. Let’s help that guy. He looks

Matt (01:09:06):

Like that makes sense to me. It’s the military. Then coming down, it’s like, what is,

Laci (01:09:10):

Those are his friends. It’s not the military, it’s just his friends. His friends just took another ship. Let’s just go see.

Kota (01:09:17):

They all went awol.

Laci (01:09:19):

Like, well, come on.

Kota (01:09:23):

I mean, we won’t call it a white balloon.

Laci (01:09:27):

What if it maybe it’s white balloon that led that charge. It was like he stood up for me.

Matt (01:09:32):

Oh my God,

Laci (01:09:33):

I’m going to float down there. My balloon cell

Matt (01:09:35):

Makes solved.

Laci (01:09:36):

We solved. All flipped there. I’m a balloon. We did it. They all held onto her and came down. Yes.

Matt (01:09:45):

And so finally, I mean this is really all about just seeing Will and Zaomi reunite, which they do. Zaomi wakes up and he’s like, uncle, you look like shit. And he’s like, you’re ugly too, my boy. And then the most generic sounding narrator. Look, it’s always jarring when narration suddenly happens in a movie. It’s even more jarring when there has been a narrator, but now a different narrator takes over

Kota (01:10:10):

And

Matt (01:10:10):

He’s like,

Kota (01:10:10):

Okay, I’m glad that didn’t throw me off. I’m not the only one.

Matt (01:10:14):

So he is like, anyway, we took Sama to the drag planet where they recited the lineage and one day little Za had his own pup and they added weird damage to the lineage. Goodbye everybody.

Laci (01:10:29):

Do you think his last name is David because it rhymes the savage in

Matt (01:10:31):

This? I think so. Yes. You know, you know how some people have two last names. You have last name and then last name. Do you know what his second last name is?

Laci (01:10:43):

Fred

Matt (01:10:44):

Garden.

Laci (01:10:45):

Oh, I went Fred Savage. You went Savage Garden. Hey,

Matt (01:10:47):

Whatever. And yeah, again, this scene, you are not seeing the actors you are just seeing, probably not even extras, they, they’re just

Laci (01:10:56):

Matt, what would you say this is?

Matt (01:10:57):

Well, it’s a Matt Pink. It’s a code opinion, guys. I mean, you want to see Dennis Quaid present the kid to the drag council.

Laci (01:11:07):

I’m over it by this point. I just needed the kid to be okay. Isn’t

Matt (01:11:09):

That the emotional payoff

Laci (01:11:10):

You want? No, we can’t have two. The emotional was that he got him back in his arms. I was so bargaining with my God. At this point I’m like, I just need him to hug him. It’s okay if he dies as long as he knows that uncle came back to try to save him.

Matt (01:11:27):

All right, well, I’d like to hear from Wolfgang Peterson’s dead. We’re going to have to do a seance to say, Hey,

Laci (01:11:32):

That’s fine.

Matt (01:11:33):

What the hell happened here? Did the studio make you do this? Because this really seems like they only had two things to work with. They had a painting and they had a guy they couldn’t afford.

Kota (01:11:43):

Dennis Qua to record two more lines fast. It’s weird. Somebody else real fast.

Matt (01:11:47):

Exactly. They

Laci (01:11:48):

Made him wait for six months doing fucking nothing. You have to strike while the qua is hot. You probably had to go make another movie before people forgot about it. No, but

Matt (01:11:55):

This is the Simpsons episode where the kids get stranded on the island and they learn to work together on the island. Kind of like Jerry and Will in this movie. Now the climax of that episode is they’ve learned to work together. They’re all going to end in harmony. And then James Earl Jones appears as a narrator. He’s not the narrating this episode. He’s like, so the children learned to work together and they were eventually rescued by, oh, let’s say Mo, and that’s the end of the episode. That’s the end of this movie.

Laci (01:12:23):

Well, if it worked for the Simpsons one,

Kota (01:12:25):

Hey, maybe that was what Simpsons was mocking. Maybe they were mocking this ending of this movie.

Laci (01:12:29):

Probably

Kota (01:12:31):

It would make sense. I mean, you go from Dennis Qua narration to, I don’t even know who narrated that. It would’ve been funny

Laci (01:12:37):

If it was. It’s whoever painted this matte painting. It’s Bob Ross. It was Matt,

Kota (01:12:42):

It’s Bob Ross. I mean, there is a lot of happy trees there.

Matt (01:12:46):

There’s a list. We could make movies that switch narrators abruptly. Not like in the Goodfellas sense. I mean the, I can only think of one other

Laci (01:12:54):

Who’s going to read this list?

Matt (01:12:55):

Me.

Laci (01:12:56):

Okay. Me.

Matt (01:12:57):

I can only think of one other. And it’s Sea Biscuit where there’s like an omnipresent narrator, like horses and cars From time I Memorial Man wants a vehicle, but then at the very end when the horse wins the race, Toby McGuire starts narrating. You’re like, where did he come from? The horse? Anyway,

Kota (01:13:14):

They had an extra few bucks left over, so they decided to have him narrate the end,

Matt (01:13:20):

Got to put the money somewhere. It’s like a weapon. Got a nuke something.

Kota (01:13:25):

Got to load it up. Oh man.

Matt (01:13:46):

All so enemy mine. We’re going to go around the room now and give our final thoughts in our star ratings for Enemy Mine, starting with our esteemed gas Kota. What are your final thoughts on this movie?

Kota (01:14:00):

My final thoughts is this movie is a cult classic masterpiece. Okay. It is not just a story, but it’s more of a small scale like Epic, if that makes sense. Without the over dramaticized wars and such, but

Speaker 4 (01:14:21):

An

Kota (01:14:21):

Intimate

Speaker 4 (01:14:21):

Epic.

Kota (01:14:23):

There you go. Yes, exactly. And I love it. I will now that I finally was able to rewatch it, I will be rewatching it again, most likely here soon. I give this, this is a five out of five for me.

Laci (01:14:35):

Wow. Okay.

Matt (01:14:37):

Laci.

Laci (01:14:38):

I give it a four. It’s not perfect, but I really liked it and I might watch it again. I don’t know. I don’t know. But if anyone ever says they love Enemy mine, I’d be like, me too. Hell,

Matt (01:14:50):

I think it’s a movie that you can tell if somebody likes sci-fi and maybe likes practical effects and likes puppets and stuff, you’d be like, Hey, have you ever seen Enemy Mine? And then you’ll be very thrilled to have shared with them to have told them about this movie, this sort of unseen cult classic from the eighties. I’m going to give it a three and a half. I love the production design. I think it’s really well directed. I think the two main performances are, I think Dennis Qua is great and obviously he’s great. Louis Gossett is so wonderful and how difficult must it have been to do it under so much makeup to bring such warmth and humor to this performance and such physicality? I wish I had written down the name of the kid actor in the costume, but he’s also lovely and

Kota (01:15:33):

You don’t give it extra points for having all the mat finishes. Matt Paint.

Matt (01:15:36):

Oh my God. That is going into my assessment. Where it loses me is I just think that the second half is a lot weaker and though I failed to convince you two, I think that the movie really has plot and pacing problems toward the end, and that ending is just abominable. Rushed.

Laci (01:15:57):

Yeah.

Matt (01:15:59):

But three and a half, it’s very good. Check it out, everybody.

Laci (01:16:01):

Three and a half is good. Ferment.

Matt (01:16:02):

Check it out. Kota, please tell everybody all about who you are and where they can find you,

Kota (01:16:09):

What’s going on. So I am on TikTok, YouTube and Facebook and Instagram at screen time. Kota.

Speaker 5 (01:16:21):

Yeah,

Kota (01:16:21):

You could definitely find my videos there. I do movie reviews and recommendations and yeah, so see you you guys next time. I guess.

Matt (01:16:29):

Check out me and Kota’s conversation about best visual effects of the Oscars. This will be coming out after the Oscars, but it’s really just us kind of riffing on five movies and hopefully I will have seen Betterman by then. Kota is a big champion of the Chimp biopic about Robbie Williams. I have now heard some movie critics or some like Griffin Newman from the Blank Check podcast put it in his top 10 of the year.

Laci (01:16:54):

I was like, wow. Well now I’m listening.

Matt (01:16:56):

The cult of Betterman is spreading.

Kota (01:16:58):

If you need to use my digital library, I have it so I can let you borrow. Let’s talk.

Matt (01:17:05):

Well, that

Laci (01:17:05):

Sounds illegal.

Kota (01:17:07):

Let’s talk. It’s a great movie.

Matt (01:17:09):

Yes. And tell a friend about Load Bearing Beams. Everybody say, I listened to a podcast called Load Bearing Beams. It’s okay. It’s good.

Laci (01:17:20):

There you go.

Matt (01:17:20):

Support us on Patreon. We’re on YouTube at Load Bearing Beams Pod. I’m on Letterboxd @  MattStokes9, Laci’s on Letterboxd @ LoadBearingLaci. I have a band called Rural Route Nine and we do the music for Load Bearing Beams, including the song you’re hearing right now. Listen to our music wherever you listen to music.

Laci (01:17:39):

Okay, I love you, goodbyeeeeeeee.